F-22, stuff you should know

highsea · 01-20-2006, 17:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid

...And that F-117 shooting did little more than show that a wet stealth aircraft coupled with open bomb bays has a much larger RCS.

BK, you don't know any more about this than Rusky does. Your "analysis" misses by every major point. Better stick to things you can google...

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 17:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid

We are not even talking about that PAK-FA and that isn't even getting an AESA radar.

Well...a lot of Sukhoi people say that it will...so...

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Notice it doesn't reveal there name it just says "anaylist." Go beyond the words and actually look at the context and don't be fooled on how they write these stories. The people that write this are trying to catch attention and make people believe things. And that F-117 shooting did little more than show that a wet stealth aircraft coupled with open bomb bays has a much larger RCS. Both problems have been fixed in the F-22. As for the radar, it had little effect as it was just there to pick up anything moving and since they got info that the US would conduct some bombing in the area, they knew that whatever they picked up was most likely a US aircraft so they just shot the missile at it.

Hmm...right....sure....please if you don't believe me do your own research on those two radars.

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No they say they tested it but where's the proof?

What kind of proof do you require? In that case how do i know that the claim that F-22 was invisble for those F-15Cs is correct?

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 17:54 PM

By the way the radar i was refering to were:

55ZH6-1 NEBO mobile metric-wave 3-D radar.
NEBO-SV (1L13-3) Mobile 2-D VHF Band Radar System

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 18:00 PM

And here is some info:

55ZH6-1 NEBO mobile metric-wave 3-D radar.

Mobile 2-D VHF Band Radar System NEBO-SV (1L13-3)

The_Burning_Kid · 01-20-2006, 18:03 PM

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Originally Posted by highsea

BK, you don't know any more about this than Rusky does. Your "analysis" misses by every major point. Better stick to things you can google...

Uh, highsea, it is known that wet and open bombay doors increase the RCS. I don't think I need to say why since its pretty much self-explanatory.

highsea · 01-20-2006, 18:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusky

And here is some info:

55ZH6-1 NEBO mobile metric-wave 3-D radar.

...and here is the thread from TWO years ago when this was discussed....

F/A-22 Raptor Makes First Public Flight

And here is a pic of the radar...looks a little big for the nosecone of a MiG-29, eh?

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 18:05 PM

Again i repeat, i never suggested it to be put on a mig. However if it can detect the enemy aircraft then it can let the Mig know.

highsea · 01-20-2006, 18:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid

Uh, highsea, it is known that wet and open bombay doors increase the RCS. I don't think I need to say why since its pretty much self-explanatory.

What I'm saying (if you want to be taken seriously here) is that you have no idea whether or not that was a factor in the stinkbug shootdown. And you have no idea what effect moisture would have, or how much.

So stop speculating....

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 18:09 PM

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Originally Posted by highsea

...and here is the thread from TWO years ago when this was discussed....

F/A-22 Raptor Makes First Public Flight

And here is a pic of the radar...looks a little big for the nosecone of a MiG-29, eh?

I skimed through. M21 seems to have a point, although its irrelivant. All a homing R-77 missile needs to do is to roughly know the location of the enemy aircraft, then it can use its own radar to track it once it comes close enough.

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 18:11 PM

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Originally Posted by highsea

What I'm saying (if you want to be taken seriously here) is that you have no idea whether or not that was a factor in the stinkbug shootdown. And you have no idea what effect moisture would have, or how much.

So stop speculating....

All you need to do to be taken seriously here is to claim that everything american made is better then all Russian made and insult whoever gives you facts that point to the otherwise. This board is too biased for it to matter if you're taken seriously or not.

highsea · 01-20-2006, 18:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusky

Again i repeat, i never suggested it to be put on a mig. However if it can detect the enemy aircraft then it can let the Mig know.

No, you said:

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Originally Posted by Rusky

Also your so called argument, about the tests done against F-15s, as i said in my reply F-15s didn't have the anti-stealth radar that Russian can put on its jet fighters, once again read the mid section of the article.

And this:

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Originally Posted by Rusky

How do i know this? Quite simply by the fact that F-15C could not detect the F-22, that is how i know that it does not use the anti-stealth technology available for the Russian aircraft.

So where is this wonderful anti-stealth technology then?

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 18:30 PM

k, ma fault. It was before i learned the names of those radar and did more research.

Yet still does not nulify the fact that if those ground radars can detect the american stealth they can let the Migs know.

Anon · 01-20-2006, 18:52 PM

Which are going to fly right into the no escape zone of AMRAAM trying to intercept the F-22.

The Mig-29 can get a steering cue from a longwave ground radar, it can't track it itself.

Know what that means?

Let me help you....it means the Mig-29 has to close to IR range to get a shot. If the F-22 wants to mix it up with any leakers that get through the AMRAAMs he can, if he doesn't feel so inclined, a F-22 can disengage at will from any current in service fighter in the world...on a whim.

Supercruise and a clean configuration= unmatched high supersonic cruise performance.

What the F-22 has really done is turn the threat(any threat) airforce into a WVR only force. There, there's some analysis for you. BTW, i highly doubt any radar mounted on any Mig-29 will see through the jamming of an F-22s APG-77, even if it could track the Raptor...which no Mig-29 can.

LOL, clubbing baby seals.

Rusky · 01-20-2006, 18:56 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Which are going to fly right into the no escape zone of AMRAAM trying to intercept the F-22.

The Mig-29 can get a steering cue from a longwave ground radar, it can't track it itself.

Know what that means?

Let me help you....it means the Mig-29 has to close to IR range to get a shot. If the F-22 wants to mix it up with any leakers that get through the AMRAAMs he can, if he doesn't feel so inclined, a F-22 can disengage at will from any current in service fighter in the world...on a whim.

Supercruise and a clean configuration= unmatched high supersonic cruise performance.

What the F-22 has really done is turn the threat(any threat) airforce into a WVR only force. There, there's some analysis for you. BTW, i highly doubt any radar mounted on any Mig-29 will see through the jamming of an F-22s APG-77, even if it could track the Raptor...which no Mig-29 can.

LOL, clubbing baby seals.

Right, once again my point is not to compare F-22 with Mig-29, F-22 is superior its a 5th generation jet fighter. What i am saying is that it can be detected.

Also your scenario is completely flawed. If the Mig or whatever knows roughly there F-22 is, the best choice for it would be to engage it with a R-77, that would use its own radar at 20km to find and destroy the F-22, which is only invisible from certain angles.

highsea · 01-20-2006, 19:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusky

...If the Mig or whatever knows roughly there F-22 is, the best choice for it would be to engage it with a R-77, that would use its own radar at 20km to find and destroy the F-22, which is only invisible from certain angles.

Lol, like the R-77 will get a lock on the F-22, from any range. That's beautiful.

Holy smokes, where do we get these clowns?

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Rusky Patron Join Date: 01-13-06 Posts: 271	k, ma fault. It was before i learned the names of those radar and did more research. Yet still does not nulify the fact that if those ground radars can detect the american stealth they can let the Migs know. Last edited by Rusky; 01-20-2006 at 18:38 PM..

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01-20-2006, 17:54 PM	#93 (permalink)
Rusky Patron Join Date: 01-13-06 Posts: 271	By the way the radar i was refering to were: 55ZH6-1 NEBO mobile metric-wave 3-D radar. NEBO-SV (1L13-3) Mobile 2-D VHF Band Radar System

01-20-2006, 18:05 PM	#97 (permalink)
Rusky Patron Join Date: 01-13-06 Posts: 271	Again i repeat, i never suggested it to be put on a mig. However if it can detect the enemy aircraft then it can let the Mig know.

01-20-2006, 18:52 PM	#103 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Which are going to fly right into the no escape zone of AMRAAM trying to intercept the F-22. The Mig-29 can get a steering cue from a longwave ground radar, it can't track it itself. Know what that means? Let me help you....it means the Mig-29 has to close to IR range to get a shot. If the F-22 wants to mix it up with any leakers that get through the AMRAAMs he can, if he doesn't feel so inclined, a F-22 can disengage at will from any current in service fighter in the world...on a whim. Supercruise and a clean configuration= unmatched high supersonic cruise performance. What the F-22 has really done is turn the threat(any threat) airforce into a WVR only force. There, there's some analysis for you. BTW, i highly doubt any radar mounted on any Mig-29 will see through the jamming of an F-22s APG-77, even if it could track the Raptor...which no Mig-29 can. LOL, clubbing baby seals.

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