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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky
    Doesn't make my sources any less credible though. Also i was mostly refering to the little tank discussion we been having with him, that reply of mine was more of a stab at him then anyone else.
    Well, lets apply real-life situations here (it usually helps make things more understanding from my point of view at least):

    Would you trust a stranger more than a relative? Same goes here, I've never heard of most of those sites you given while almost everyone knows about GlobalSecurity while those who don't generally agree that it is a very good website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid
    Well, lets apply real-life situations here (it usually helps make things more understanding from my point of view at least):

    Would you trust a stranger more than a relative? Same goes here, I've never heard of most of those sites you given while almost everyone knows about GlobalSecurity while those who don't generally agree that it is a very good website.
    World is a big place, you can't be sure that there aren't other forum communities that view for example warfare.ru or airwar.ru (which is THE best site on military aircraft, it won awards) as the more credible sources, its all a difference of opinion really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky
    World is a big place, you can't be sure that there aren't other forum communities that view for example warfare.ru or airwar.ru (which is THE best site on military aircraft, it won awards) as the more credible sources, its all a difference of opinion really.
    Well until you said something, I never knew about those sites. But tons of people heard about GlobalSecurity.org which is probably because it is so good and is an extremely credible resources/site (probably the best military site on the internet if you ask me as it has everything on it). But lets not let this turn into "this webpage is better than that" kind of debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid
    I can tell you that its not but of course you not changing your mind. But whatever your majesty:

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...22-stealth.htm

    Scroll to second paragraph, and at the bottom:

    "While not invisible, the F-22's radar cross section is comparable to the radar cross sections of birds and bees."

    Though not the same, GlobalSecurity.org is pretty credible source along with that the F-22's RCS from the other source is in similar size to the one just listed, I don't see what's fake. As for the actual RCS of the F-22:

    0.0002m2

    I'm actually going to talk to the guy that posted this a while ago, but I know he's considered quite an expert and knows a ton of stuff on aircrafts (think he has a degree in it but not sure), so I'll get back to you on that.
    Actually remember, I said it had a RCS of a bird or bee already.

    Just asking for credit where its due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon 6
    Actually remember, I said it had a RCS of a bird or bee already.

    Just asking for credit where its due.
    You did? Oh I just copy & pasted that from the source.

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    Yeah, one of my responses back on page 4 of this thread. go and look

    I said,

    No wonder! That individual user didn't know what the hell he was talking about. No wonder it seemed fabricated, it was! Also, a B-2 is not going to show up the size of a boeing 737. No frickin way. All stealth aircraft show up on radar. Usually about the size of a bird at short ranges, or..perhaps a bumble bee at longer ranges. However unfortunately such a small signature makes it nearly impossible to get and hold a lock-on. So detecting an aircraft is one thing, but getting a lock-on is quite different.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon 6
    Yeah, one of my responses back on page 4 of this thread. go and look

    I said,

    No wonder! That individual user didn't know what the hell he was talking about. No wonder it seemed fabricated, it was! Also, a B-2 is not going to show up the size of a boeing 737. No frickin way. All stealth aircraft show up on radar. Usually about the size of a bird at short ranges, or..perhaps a bumble bee at longer ranges. However unfortunately such a small signature makes it nearly impossible to get and hold a lock-on. So detecting an aircraft is one thing, but getting a lock-on is quite different.

    Oh alright, you got your credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusky
    Thats redneck.com if i remember correctly.
    Hey good rebutle!!!

    When a thread basically started to paint the newest American fighter as a peice of crap is posted by a guy using the handle "Rusky" I know I can simply point and laugh......


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    Well...you're not too bright then are you.
    Last edited by Rusky; 22 Jan 06, at 17:38.

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    Wow your just full of witty rebuttles....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon 6
    Yeah, one of my responses back on page 4 of this thread. go and look

    I said,

    No wonder! That individual user didn't know what the hell he was talking about. No wonder it seemed fabricated, it was! Also, a B-2 is not going to show up the size of a boeing 737. No frickin way. All stealth aircraft show up on radar. Usually about the size of a bird at short ranges, or..perhaps a bumble bee at longer ranges. However unfortunately such a small signature makes it nearly impossible to get and hold a lock-on. So detecting an aircraft is one thing, but getting a lock-on is quite different.

    you are really full of beliefs about B-2 and its visibility on modern radars. A bird? A Bee? .... or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid
    Well, I do, as if you did a quick google you would see that was a pretty big factor. Dont' believe me, sources:

    http://www.danshistory.com/f117.shtml

    Also, it shows that the bomb bay door opening would result in the F-117 being unstealthy. Also it disclaims Rusky's so called theory on how the Yugoslavians detected the plane. It was more of skill than actually technology.
    Nowhere in your article does it discuss water or rain, and nowhere does it say that the 117's bomb door got stuck in the open position.

    It's just speculation. I'll say it again r.e.a.l. slow...

    You. don't. know. what. happened.

    You. don't. know. how. water. will. affect. the. RCS. or. why.

    If you continue to insist that you know certain things that you can't know, than you are just being a dumass. Nothing personal, I just can't stand armchair experts that make unsupportable claims.
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    RCS of a Bird? Or a Bee? Well, that precise )

    How about "I dont' know, but I will BS as much as I can"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highsea
    Nowhere in your article does it discuss water or rain, and nowhere does it say that the 117's bomb door got stuck in the open position.

    It's just speculation. I'll say it again r.e.a.l. slow...

    You. don't. know. what. happened.

    You. don't. know. how. water. will. affect. the. RCS. or. why.

    If you continue to insist that you know certain things that you can't know, than you are just being a dumass. Nothing personal, I just can't stand armchair experts that make unsupportable claims.
    I never continued the point on the water, I was talking about the open bomb door. And if you read what I said, "Also, it shows that the bomb bay door opening would result in the F-117 being unstealthy...." you will notice that I say would. If I left it out "would" then I would be saying it as a definite statement. I'm not making any claims, I'm just providing probable theories. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding, but reading beyond the context helps (I'm not saying that in a flaming way, mind you).

    *Notes to himself that English class does have some purposes.

    RCS of a Bird? Or a Bee? Well, that precise )

    How about "I dont' know, but I will BS as much as I can"?
    Uh, BS? Please read the source. Its pretty credible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid
    I never continued the point on the water, I was talking about the open bomb door. And if you read what I said, "Also, it shows that the bomb bay door opening would result in the F-117 being unstealthy...." you will notice that I say would. If I left it out "would"...
    Maybe you should re-read my original comment to you. I was addressing this
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid
    ...And that F-117 shooting did little more than show that a wet stealth aircraft coupled with open bomb bays has a much larger RCS.
    Try to keep up here, BK. I was not discussing the effect of an open bomb door- I was pointing out that you do not know whether or not that was a contributing factor in the shootdown, just as you cannot know if water was involved (or what effect it would have).

    What you were doing was repeating an unfounded rumor about the incident.
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