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    Iran hails EU nuclear climbdown

    Iran Thursday hailed a "significant victory" after the European Union (EU) climbed down from its demand that the United Nations nuclear watchdog report the state to the UN Security Council.

    Mohammad Saeedi, deputy head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization, said opposition from countries including Russia and India and the Non-Aligned Movement stopped the EU sending Teheran to the UN's highest body for possible sanctions.

    "The EU's withdrawal was a significant victory for Iran," said Saeedi, also a member of Iran's nuclear negotiating team.

    The EU has dropped the demand from a revised draft resolution after nearly 15 of the 35 members of the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) governing board, including Russia, opposed the EU draft resolution.

    Iranian negotiator Javad Vaeedi said Iran's strong diplomacy pushed the EU to drop its Security Council push.

    Vaeedi warned the EU against including a so-called "trigger mechanism" in the new draft resolution that would set the stage for a referral to the Security Council if Iran resumed activities linked to uranium enrichment or was found to be hiding any more sites from the IAEA.

    "If America and the EU include such mechanism in the IAEA's resolution, ending snap inspections will be part of our strong reaction," he said, referring to Iran's current implementation of a protocol giving UN inspectors greater access to atomic sites.

    Speaking at a regular press briefing in Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said there was still room for dialogue to resolve the issue. He called for a resumption of EU-Iran talks that collapsed after two years when Teheran resumed uranium-processing work last month at a plant in Isfahan.

    Earlier this week, the EU had circulated a US-backed draft resolution calling on the IAEA governing board to report Iran's secretive nuclear programme to the Security Council.

    But with at least a dozen of the 35 members of the IAEA board opposed to the EU resolution, the EU cut out the key demand from a revised draft.

    The new draft omitted any explicit threat that Iran would be referred to the Security Council but implied that the IAEA board could choose to refer the matter to the Council in the future.

    "The history of concealment of Iran's nuclear activities ... and the resulting absence of confidence that Iran's nuclear programme is exclusively for peaceful purposes have given rise to questions that are within the competence of the Security Council," the draft said.

    It also declared that Iran had been in "non-compliance" with the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which normally requires the IAEA board to notify the Council.

    EU diplomats said they hoped to get unanimous support for what they called a very tough and fair draft resolution.

    Will EU, US give up?

    US Ambassador to the IAEA Gregory Schulte said: "A solid and growing majority of the IAEA board now also agrees on the need to report Iran to the UN Security Council.

    "We support the European Union's effort to continue to develop the broadest possible consensus to find Iran in non-compliance and to prepare a report to the UN Security Council," Schulte said.

    Top EU foreign ministers insisted Iran was not off the hook.

    In a letter published in the Wall Street Journal, the foreign ministers of France, Germany and Britain and EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said Teheran had shown no sign of flexibility despite repeated offers of co-operation by the EU.

    Source: China Daily

    http://english.people.com.cn/200509/...23_210432.html
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    it was clear that they can not resolve this issue without asking the help of Russia and China....... they knew it.... but decided to go on without consultations with Russia and China. Hence the result.

    Iranian issue would be resolved only if Russia and China add their pressure on Iran. Resolving this issue without them is fruitless........

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    Iran has a right to Nuclear technology as long as it isn't proliferated from another country. If Iran has the capacity to harness nuclear technology on its own, so be it. The world will have to live with that.

    All countries have a right to nuclear technology as long as it isn't procured through proliferation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk
    Iran has a right to Nuclear technology as long as it isn't proliferated from another country. If Iran has the capacity to harness nuclear technology on its own, so be it. The world will have to live with that.

    All countries have a right to nuclear technology as long as it isn't procured through proliferation.
    Here's the question: Are you willing to stake millions of lives on trusting them, possibly your own? Iran is a theocracy who has numerous times called for mass murder against those who do not believe as they do. Their threshold for use of nuclear weapons is dangerously low. They do no respect their power.

    The one thing this has shown is that europe has no backbone whatsoever. I put no faith in their ability to stand up to a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk
    Iran has a right to Nuclear technology as long as it isn't proliferated from another country. If Iran has the capacity to harness nuclear technology on its own, so be it. The world will have to live with that.

    All countries have a right to nuclear technology as long as it isn't procured through proliferation.
    That ends with statements like the one Ahmadnejad made. "We must step over the United States and Israel must be destroyed".

    Now what does that mean?...and forgive me if it isn't a cryptic way of saying Iran wishes to lob a nuke over Iraq and hit Israel with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk
    Iran has a right to Nuclear technology as long as it isn't proliferated from another country.
    They (the Iranian Government) have no right to exist. Ergo, they have no right to nuclear technology.

    If Iran has the capacity to harness nuclear technology on its own, so be it. The world will have to live with that.
    Blowing up their reactor is a better plan.

    All countries have a right to nuclear technology as long as it isn't procured through proliferation.
    Are you stupid or something? The whole purpose of stopping proliferation of nuclear technology is so places like Iran and North Korea don't get it.

    What difference does it make if they make it themselves or they get it from somewhere else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    They (the Iranian Government) have no right to exist. Ergo, they have no right to nuclear technology.



    Blowing up their reactor is a better plan.



    Are you stupid or something? The whole purpose of stopping proliferation of nuclear technology is so places like Iran and North Korea don't get it.

    What difference does it make if they make it themselves or they get it from somewhere else?
    to have a atomic bomb you don't need reactor.... enriched uranium is just OK. And they have natural deposits of uranium domestically.... so blowing up reactor will not even delay their bomb activiy.... and it is hard to stop entrichment activity as they may do it in mines underground + having domestic ore they can always resume it underground.

    So by blowing up reactor you do not reach your goal but start a war, where you will get strike back. Only land invasion can stop Iran completelly..... but Iran understands that land invations is really too costly for US and not possible at current time. That is why they started their enrichment activity.... once they enrich enough uranium it would be too late to stop them.

    ps. Iran has its seat in UN hence it is considered legitimate by global community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry
    to have a atomic bomb you don't need reactor.... enriched uranium is just OK. And they have natural deposits of uranium domestically.... so blowing up reactor will not even delay their bomb activiy.... and it is hard to stop entrichment activity as they may do it in mines underground + having domestic ore they can always resume it underground.

    So by blowing up reactor you do not reach your goal but start a war, where you will get strike back. Only land invasion can stop Iran completelly..... but Iran understands that land invations is really too costly for US and not possible at current time. That is why they started their enrichment activity.... once they enrich enough uranium it would be too late to stop them.
    My point was that we should use physical force to eliminate the threat, that's all.

    ps. Iran has its seat in UN hence it is considered legitimate by global community.
    I could care less what "the global community" thinks. All that matters is truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    I could care less what "the global community" thinks. All that matters is truth.
    Well said.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk
    Iran has a right to Nuclear technology as long as it isn't proliferated from another country. If Iran has the capacity to harness nuclear technology on its own, so be it. The world will have to live with that.

    All countries have a right to nuclear technology as long as it isn't procured through proliferation.
    That's like saying felons have the right to hand guns.
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenRoethig
    Here's the question: Are you willing to stake millions of lives on trusting them, possibly your own? Iran is a theocracy who has numerous times called for mass murder against those who do not believe as they do. Their threshold for use of nuclear weapons is dangerously low. They do no respect their power.

    The one thing this has shown is that europe has no backbone whatsoever. I put no faith in their ability to stand up to a threat.
    I think Iran has been much maligned without giving them a chance to prove their case. I think they should be given one opportunity and if it is proved that there is intent on their part to disrupt global activities then yes, everyone would back action against Iran.
    I hope that answers your question, I am willing to give Iran one chance to see what happens.
    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatock
    That ends with statements like the one Ahmadnejad made. "We must step over the United States and Israel must be destroyed".

    Now what does that mean?...and forgive me if it isn't a cryptic way of saying Iran wishes to lob a nuke over Iraq and hit Israel with it.
    When someone is as isolated as Iran with their backs to the wall, paranoia forces a lot of statements primarily to give confidence to their own people against the possibility of being invaded. This doesn't necessarily always mean that they will be acted upon.
    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    They (the Iranian Government) have no right to exist. Ergo, they have no right to nuclear technology.
    Your views are tainted by hate, they fail even the fundamental tests of logic.



    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    Blowing up their reactor is a better plan.
    Garry answered that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    Are you stupid or something? The whole purpose of stopping proliferation of nuclear technology is so places like Iran and North Korea don't get it. What difference does it make if they make it themselves or they get it from somewhere else?
    Pathetic attempts at insult and to provoke me. I will not stoop to that.
    I suggest you look up what the word "proliferation" means. I recommend the oxford english dictionary.


    Quote Originally Posted by Praxus
    I could care less what "the global community" thinks. All that matters is truth.
    Which version of truth, yours? Then i have to warn you , that your version is tainted by intolerance.
    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "

    "Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    That's like saying felons have the right to hand guns.
    But who is to determine whether Iran is a "felon". Are we to take your word since they held your country men hostage in 1979. How much time to turn around and say that you conspired to bring down a representative government of that country which led to that eventuality.
    "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time. "

    "Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed."

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    it's when i hear big headed opinions like this that i hope iran does make nukes....

    ....you wouldn't invade then would you?!

    I mean how childish....they might nuke us.....you act like this and it's a certainty that people will want to nuke you, constantly trying to have things your way.

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