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    "Iran's Not a Terrorist State..."

    All reasonable people know that's BS, but in case you need some evidence to back up common sense, here the they condemn themselves out of their own mouths.

    Iran's New President Glorifies Martyrdom

    The act of martyrdom is often celebrated by the Iranian theocracy. Most recently, Iranian President-Elect Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, in his second TV appearance since his election victory, spoke July 25, 2005 on Iranian Channel 1 in praise of "the art of martyrdom."

    The day after Ahmadi-Nejad's TV appearance, the London Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat published a report about his spiritual advisor, Ayatollah Mohammad Misbach Yazdi. The report advised Iranians on how to volunteer for the Iranian regime-sponsored volunteer martyrdom squad, and mentioned an Iranian women's volunteer group that is dedicated to carrying out martyrdom operations against U.S., British, and Israeli forces.

    The subject of Iranian martyrdom seekers was also the topic of a recent program on Al-Arabiya TV, which is discussed below.


    Ahmadi-Nejad on the Art of Martyrdom

    The following are excerpts from a speech by Iranian President-Elect Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, which aired July 25, 2005 on Iranian Channel 1. In it, he praises martyrdom operations and states that Islam will conquer the world.

    But I thought they just wanted nuclear weapons to deter us from attacking them. The small addition of wanting to conquer the world probably doesn't change anything

    (To view this clip, visit http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=782.)

    Ahmadi-Nejad: "We want art that is on the offensive. Art on the offensive exalts and defends the noble principles, and attacks principles that are corrupt, vulgar, ungodly, and inhuman.

    "Art reaches perfection when it portrays the best life and best death. After all, art tells you how to live. That is the essence of art. Is there art that is more beautiful, more divine, and more eternal than the art of martyrdom? A nation with martyrdom knows no captivity. Those who wish to undermine this principle undermine the foundations of our independence and national security. They undermine the foundation of our eternity.

    "The message of the [Islamic] Revolution is global, and is not restricted to a specific place or time. It is a human message, and it will move forward.

    "Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."


    Spiritual Advisor of Iran's President-Elect Calls on Iranian Volunteers to Carry Out Martyrdom Operations

    Ayatollah Mohammad Misbah Yazdi, the spiritual leader of Iranian President-Elect Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, issued an announcement to the Iranian people, calling upon them to volunteer for an Iranian organization of martyrs. [1]

    The announcement read: "Acts of martyrdom are the great pinnacle of the [Iranian] people and the height of its courage. The commander [Iranian Leader] Khamenei has announced registration for the forces of martyrdom in all of Iran's provinces, in order to defend Islam and to fight the enemies of Islam. Our sacred organization, [the organization of martyrs belonging] to the Islamic Republic, is intended for those interested in carrying out shahada [martyrdom]. The volunteer, male or female, will join specialized courses. Brother and sister believers who want to defend Islam are invited to contact [us] at POB 664-1653, Tehran, and to send two photos, a copy of their birth certificate, and a request to join the martyrs' corps."

    According to the report, the organization is headed by Elias Naderan, leader of the conservative faction of the Iranian parliament, former intelligence officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, and an ally of President-Elect Ahmadi-Nejad. A few months ago, he founded an organization called Zeitoon, intended for women and men interested in committing martyrdom operations "against the enemies of Iran and Islam" – especially against U.S., British, and Israeli forces.

    Ayatollah Masbah Yazdi attended one of Naderan's conventions, and emphasized to the hundreds of participants the need to volunteer for the martyrdom operation training courses.

    One of the volunteers, Mohammad Reza Siyari, who recently fled from Iran to Turkey, told Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that during a visit to Ayatollah Masbah Yazdi's office in Qom, the latter told the volunteers: "The gates of Paradise have opened for you. There are beautiful black-eyed virgins waiting for you on the banks of rivers of honey."

    One has to wonder what the appeal of this is to women.

    Siyari further said that the volunteers undergo training in four Revolutionary Guards and "Army of Jerusalem" camps.

    Al-Arabiya TV Report on Iranian Martyrdom Seekers

    The following are excerpts from a report about the movement of "martyrdom seekers" in Iran. Al-Arabiya TV aired this report on July 2, 2005. (To view this clip, visit http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=736.)

    Martyrdom-seeking movement member Vesaly: My name is Vesaly... We are first and foremost Muslims, and it is our duty to defend our brothers and sisters throughout the world. We don't need permission from anybody. This has to do with our religious duty and responsibilities. This is our choice, and we have no fear. We adhere to the legacy of our late leader, Imam Khomeini."

    Crowd: "There is no God but Allah. There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is Allah's messenger."

    Reporter: "These young women have forsaken the temptations of life, and have taken the hard way. Indeed, they have chosen martyrdom as a way of liberating the Islamic lands. This is what they say.

    "40,000 time bombs in Iran – this is the number of volunteers so far, and the registration is still open. There is no distinction between men and women, Sunnis or Shiites. 'We all sacrifice for the sake of Islam,' they chant. This is the movement of martyrdom seekers, whose goals and organizational structure are still unclear. They refused to give further details, but did not conceal their determination to sacrifice their lives. The reason [is] what America has done in the holy places of Najaf and Karbala."

    Firooz Rajai, a movement leader: "In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. The movement of martyrdom seekers began after the American campaign against Najaf and Karbala in Iraq, over a year ago. The religious scholars decided that such a movement should be established in this country, the majority of which are Shiite, in order to support their brothers, especially following the experience of the war that was forced on Iran by the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq."

    Reporter: "This is a symbolic grave of the first man who tried to get rid of Salman Rushdie. Here there are also symbolic graves commemorating the people who killed hundreds of American and French soldiers in Lebanon, in 1983.

    "This young mother from Palestine, who sacrificed her life and blew herself up at an Israeli checkpost, is a role model for the movement's members, who believe this is the only way to liberate the Palestinian lands, especially the Al-Aqsa Mosque."

    Firooz Rajai: "In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. We will not allow the Zionists to build their Solomon Temple in the place where the Al-Aqsa Mosque stands. They have not succeeded so far, and they never will. We are willing to sacrifice our bodies and souls to defend the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Our goal is to achieve martyrdom by way of true Jihad. This is the true path to which we strive. We don't need a fatwa on this, since we get our fatwas from the Koran and from all the authorities on Islamic law. We vow to turn into bombs that will explode at anyone who wishes to desecrate our holy places."

    Reporter: "The movement denies any connection to the Iranian government, and considers itself an independent organization. Although the government occasionally expresses reservations about the movement of martyrdom seekers and its operations, the movement has used government buildings for its training, and some Revolutionary Guards members have publicly defended them."

    Iranian MP Hamid-Reza Haji-Babai: "Martyrdom seekers may exist in every country, and in Iran, they have beliefs that they hold sacred. This is a popular movement, which cannot take the form of an organization. Iran has so far managed, democratically and diplomatically, to maintain relations with all countries and preserve its status, despite the American hostility. The oppressive, inhuman, and undemocratic American behavior in recent years has led to the creation of martyrdom-seeking movements everywhere."

    Reporter: "After receiving theory lessons, the volunteers undergo secret training, far from the media. Even though the movement's leaders refrain from disclosing the kind of activities that are included in this training, they emphasize that this is not a military organization, and that no special or complex training is required – a few days are enough to train the volunteers."

    Firooz Rajai: "So far, we have not sent any brigade out of the country, and have not clashed with government opposition to us. We maintain law and order, and our activity is clear and serves Islam. This does not mean that we are not prepared to report for duty anytime, anywhere. We believe in combining ideology and action. Our movement is not a symbolic one. Our goal is well known. When the time comes, martyrdom will be inevitable. There are many NGOs in Iran that support the Palestinian cause, and we maintain relations and cooperate with them, as well as with Hamas and the Islamic Jihad. We meet with the representatives of the two movements in Tehran, and we hope this will be successful."

    Reporter: "Whether in Iraq, Palestine, or any Islamic country, the movement of martyrdom seekers is ready for action, but the Iranian government still does not know whether the movement has already sent volunteers to Iraq or even to Israel."

    Ali Samadi, a movement leader: "As everyone can see, the Zionists attribute no significance to the Arab and Islamic governments. They continue their aggressive policies to fulfill their goals. The world considers the Israeli military to be the fifth most powerful force, and its security apparatus to be the second most powerful in the world. Since they only understand the language of force, our new weapon of martyrdom operations is bound to change the balance of power. Even the separation wall they are building won't prevent the martyrdom operations and the changing of the balance. The Iranian youth takes pride in [the fact that] this movement was founded after the Islamic Revolution in order to create a core of resistance against the occupiers in a way unmarred by flaws, as was the case with the Al-Qaeda organization, for example. We are not afraid of the American fleets or the British weapons in Iraq. We vow to become time bombs in the event of any aggression on our land."

    Reporter: "Thus, they await death with happiness and joy. In their view, martyrdom for the sake of Allah is the sweetest thing."

    I'd be happy to oblige each and every one of them.
    [1] Al-Sharq Al-Awsat (London), July 26, 2005.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    One has to wonder what the appeal of this is to women.
    My thoughts exactly. Nasty chap eh!... this new Iranian president

    Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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    Please somebody offer this jerk and his friends as martyrs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    My thoughts exactly. Nasty chap eh!... this new Iranian president
    That just reinforces the notion, after the **** fit Iranians had on a message board, obviously not based in Iran, had after this guy was elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    My thoughts exactly. Nasty chap eh!... this new Iranian president
    BTW do women in ISLAM get 72 virgin males when they go to heaven after martyrdom
    -raj

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    Quote Originally Posted by raj
    BTW do women in ISLAM get 72 virgin males when they go to heaven after martyrdom
    -raj
    Don't recall any great reward for women being written down, wether in the Quran, Hadith, or any Mullah written literature.

    If you were to ask anyone who believes women are equal to a male child, in that they must be controlled by men because they can't really think or act on thier own...then hell would probably be their destination regardless of anything.

    And since I have to muse this somewhere If & when Iran is ever invaded. Would the mullah's send any & all the Iranian Police women as cannon fodder or not? Guess that depends on how worried they are a few mass desertions may take place. IIRC U.S. Infantry and Tankers should brush up on some Farsi, something along the lines of "you wanna work for us, or them?" Possibly while the female police are staring down an A1 Abrams barrel as incentive.

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    ahh, dont you just love america's cheek. They are the ones who set up a terrorist regime FROM A DEMOCRATICLY ELECTED PRIME MINISTER (prime minister mosadegh) they remove him and put the shah, who terrorises the iranian people with his savak.

    They are the one constantly supporting rogue states, terrorist groups and orgs., israel who commited a hell of alot of terrorist acts, malitia groups. Name it they support it, then they suddenly have the cheek to say iran is a terrorist state. pffff really, thats just too much.

    The real terrorist states are its allies, Saudi, Pakistan, Egypt (where the whole extremist islamic movement started)

    These are the countries where you will find the most numbers of foreign suicide bombers against the west.

    Just remember, anything happens to american intrest by iran, its all their OWN fault. Overthrowing a primeminister, putting a unelected king who kisses every westerners ass, will not go well with iranian people, the ayatollah's seized the initiative at the right time in the right place. There is no way iran would be under Ayatollah rule if prime minister mosadegh was not removed from power. OR maybe if shah was more humane.

    about martyrdom and iran, well tell me, what is the diffrence between being patriotic and fighting for your country and martyrdom (shahid)? Every man who died in the iran iraq war on the iranian side is considered a martyr by the iranians and rightly so. There is nothing wrong with gloryfying them as martyrs, or gloryfying martyrdom.

    The moment a westerners hears the word martyr, they automatically think of a suicide bomber, well your wrong.

    Anyways, its getting pretty late here in uk (2.45) and i need to get up early tomorow, if i have time tomorow i will make a complete post about it, why iran IS NO a terrorist state etc. etc. :yawns: spelling mistake on my post? i'll bet there is lots, but i am too tired to double check right now! maybe tomorow

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    csite,
    Don't misunderstand. No one is condemning the Iranian people, the comments are for the new president who is "alleged" to have been a leader during the US Embassy hostage crisis in 1979.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    csite,
    Don't misunderstand. No one is condemning the Iranian people, the comments are for the new president who is "alleged" to have been a leader during the US Embassy hostage crisis in 1979.
    That has now been confirmed.

    And he's been granted a visa to speak at the UN.

    In New York City.

    On the day after the anniversary of September 11.
    "The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it, and if one finds the prospect of a long war intolerable, it is natural to disbelieve in the possibility of victory."
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    I'd rather be a live patriot than a dead one. A martyr is someone who is dead and I really don't see you anyone would hope to die. Here's the real kicker. What if their is no god? Way to go.....

    note: I do believe in God but hey, man has been wrong before....
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    "Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world."
    If that's all, go for it:-p

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemontree
    csite,
    Don't misunderstand. No one is condemning the Iranian people, the comments are for the new president who is "alleged" to have been a leader during the US Embassy hostage crisis in 1979.

    Its said, the youth do foolish things. They were taken hostage by a group of students. I admit it was foolish. But its because they were angry because the usa gave the shah visa to remain in usa after he got kicked out with full security.

    Talks of martyrs.
    Iranians dont want to die, but someone who fights for their country and dies is called a martyr. THATS ALL. Nothing more. When someone says its good to be a martyr it doesn't mean in a war, go and try and get shot by the enemy and die, it just means its NOT shameful to die for you country, its a good death, something to be proud of. By all means live if you can, but those who don't make the country proud anyways.

    I appriciate it if maybe the west stopped threatening iran, and people in all the forums stop calling iran a terrorist country. And supporting hezbollah doesn't make a country terrorist. I am afraid bush will have to come up with something far better than that, or a so called "confession" of a iraqi commander that iran is supporing the insugency, just makes me think how stupid that commander was, he didnt think the insugency is killing shias.... OR israely inteligence, who lie alot of the time to get countries like iran who are a threat to them taken care of. They did it for Iraq, and now they are trying to say iran already has nukes, or its 1 year away from making a nuke bomb. They tend to forget their own nukes were 100% illegal and hidden from the world. Yet they are a special case, and never get sanctions unlike pakistan! what a world we live in, huh.

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    Iranians dont want to die,"
    "Our goal is to achieve martyrdom"

    hmmm....
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
    "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by csite
    I appriciate it if maybe the west stopped threatening iran, and people in all the forums stop calling iran a terrorist country. And supporting hezbollah doesn't make a country terrorist. I am afraid bush will have to come up with something far better than that, or a so called "confession" of a iraqi commander that iran is supporing the insugency, just makes me think how stupid that commander was, he didnt think the insugency is killing shias.... OR israely inteligence, who lie alot of the time to get countries like iran who are a threat to them taken care of. They did it for Iraq, and now they are trying to say iran already has nukes, or its 1 year away from making a nuke bomb. They tend to forget their own nukes were 100% illegal and hidden from the world. Yet they are a special case, and never get sanctions unlike pakistan! what a world we live in, huh.
    Should the west also frown apon the way the mullahs treat the common populace of Iran? Iranians not living under the rule of the mullahs i.e. in Canada mostly, among other places, would most likely not have anything good to say about people the likes of Ahmadinejad and his minions.
    If you want to learn about such things, perhaps try talking to members of an Iranian diaspora instead of saying that anything about Iran that the US is connected with is certainly, and the only thing(s) that are bad about Persia?

    As far as supporting the insurgency...that goes back to the first attempt to take Fallujah, which was called off after Muqtada Al-Sadr's temper tantrum. Word came down the gruntline in Iraq that at least five Iranian commando's had been taken alive by US Forces that invaded the foreign infiltrator stronghold of Fallujah the first time around. Case closed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunatock
    Should the west also frown apon the way the mullahs treat the common populace of Iran? Iranians not living under the rule of the mullahs i.e. in Canada mostly, among other places, would most likely not have anything good to say about people the likes of Ahmadinejad and his minions.
    If you want to learn about such things, perhaps try talking to members of an Iranian diaspora instead of saying that anything about Iran that the US is connected with is certainly, and the only thing(s) that are bad about Persia?

    As far as supporting the insurgency...that goes back to the first attempt to take Fallujah, which was called off after Muqtada Al-Sadr's temper tantrum. Word came down the gruntline in Iraq that at least five Iranian commando's had been taken alive by US Forces that invaded the foreign infiltrator stronghold of Fallujah the first time around. Case closed!
    Really?
    and why hasn't the USA officially publicised the fact they have 5 iranian comandos?

    I dont need you or any canadian iranian wanabes to tell me what it is like in iran, i was there for 17 years thank you, most of people in america / canada who are iranians never set foot on iranian soil, they just have big mouth. Dont you ever wonder why they left. The excuse they use is just great, noone kicked them out, and they didn't leave because the mullahs hated them. Some were economical migrants, and that is fine and normal, but most just couldn't live without the western corruption, alchahole etc. etc.

    They dont give a crap about iran, its people, as long as they remain wealthy, thats all what matters. Alot of people who were directly benefiting financially from the shah regime are the people who are in america and usa right now, saying iran should be free, invaded, and the shah's son should be in power.... pfff.... makes me laugh how they have the guts to say all they do say.

    Iran is on the path to democracy, it doesn't need any mujahedeen, iranian traitors, or foreign influence. It is on its own way, by its own way to democracy.

    And by the way, back to Muqtada Al-sadr, he is not a terrorist, not does he use terrorist activites. Infact hardly any shia / no shias in iraq use terrorist activities.

    About ahmadinejad, stop going on about it as if its such a big deal, i dont like him personally but thats because i know far more about his background than most here and his idiologies about the future of iran. But the main reasone he was elected, is because of the american threat, iranians thought he would be a better leader to protect iranian soil from the americans. Iran has a huge percantage of young population who mainly hate the right wing, but this time it was an exception, because word was in iran, usa wants to invade. Ofcourse, the right wing has control over the media in iran and that was great for them, even though i am 99% sure it wont happen. It worked in their benefit. The choice was between the sloppy left wing who really want the best for iran, or the strong right wing who are far too backwards and dont see anything beyond the quran. If there was no usa threat, i am 100% sure rafanjani who had won previously in iran would have got elected, he was far better than ahmadinejad, but hey, i guess america doesn't think beyond basics, when they use their EMPTY threats on other nations.
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