Historic Gaza pullout has begun

**Leader** · 18 Aug 05,, 19:35

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

The US needs to put their weight in even more now and observe extreme neutrality.

America should endeavor to act justly not "neutrally."

Since after a very long time they both are listening to the US.

I don't see the Palestinians listening to us.

**Asim Aquil** · 18 Aug 05,, 20:18

Regardless, people died. Same result, same intent.

You're expecting Hamas terrorists to be reasonable?

I saw that Palestinian minister, ummmm some Woman, hard Arabic accent, damn forgot her name, come on ABC TV and denounce that this is a victory for Hamas and said "Unfortunately they're claiming it to be so". Clearly it does not reflect the Palestinian position on it. And unlike in the past, PA has distanced itself from the Hamas lately.

What I'm saying is, no matter what the Israeli or the Palestinian terrorists do, the official sides should keep the process going.

**Leader** · 18 Aug 05,, 20:26

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Regardless, people died. Same result, same intent.

You're expecting Hamas terrorists to be reasonable?

The PA could have them arrested instead. And I do expect the PA to be reasonable.

What I'm saying is, no matter what the Israeli or the Palestinian terrorists do, the official sides should keep the process going.

PA can affect the Palestinian terrorists. If they are not doing that to the full extent of their ability, the Israelis shouldn’t waste their time talking to them.

**Ray** · 18 Aug 05,, 20:34

Originally Posted by Leader

Those damn Jews! Pulling the wool over everyone's eyes again.

So Israel is going to attack the world and the world will support them.

Have your cake and eat it too, Lahore?

Not happy at least a beginning has been made?

What do you want? The Israeli PM to bend before you and ask for forgiveness and hand over all of Israel to you and then jump into the Gulf of Aqaba?

Heavens! You are real difficult to appease. I use the word appease since the whole world is bending backwards to humour you guys. The US is putting all its weight behind all this humour!

**Asim Aquil** · 19 Aug 05,, 00:20

Yes they should, but, as we've seen, with terrorists, they don't always tend to listen.

And the anti-terror drive in Palestine hasn't even really started. The PA and Israeli government should differentiate its relationship from NOW ON, between PA and Israeli terrorist and Israel and Hamas (also terrorists)... The Israelis had to go, it was given to the Palestinians in the historic mandate. Anybody expecting any more, any less IMO is not being fair.

**Asim Aquil** · 19 Aug 05,, 00:26

The Gaza pullout should be seen as nothing but the 1st step in the return to normalcy. What I think Lahori meant was, it should be understood as a precedent, not the end result.

**Leader** · 19 Aug 05,, 00:34

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Yes they should, but, as we've seen, with terrorists, they don't always tend to listen.

They don't have to listen. They have to die. The PA authority needs to do everything

And the anti-terror drive in Palestine hasn't even really started.

That's the Palestine's fault.

The PA and Israeli government should differentiate its relationship from NOW ON, between PA and Israeli terrorist and Israel and Hamas (also terrorists)...

Israel doesn't allow terrorists to operate under it's control. The PA does. It's absurd to compare very Isolate Israeli terrorists attacks, and the consistent terrorists attacks of the Palestinian terrorists. Not to mention that many Palestinians are raising their children to kill themselves and Israelis in cold blood.

The Israelis had to go, it was given to the Palestinians in the historic mandate. Anybody expecting any more, any less IMO is not being fair.

Teh Israelis didn't "have to go." They chose to go because they believed it would increase there security.

**Asim Aquil** · 19 Aug 05,, 00:49

They don't have to listen. They have to die. The PA authority needs to do everything

Right away? Impossible ask don't you think? For now containment should suffice, even thats a big task.

Israel doesn't allow terrorists to operate under it's control. The PA does. It's absurd to compare very Isolate Israeli terrorists attacks, and the consistent terrorists attacks of the Palestinian terrorists. Not to mention that many Palestinians are raising their children to kill themselves and Israelis in cold blood.

I'm talking current affairs, you're talking history. There's too much past between the two races, they need to think in the NOW than what happened before. First each side gets its **** in order then they move.

Teh Israelis didn't "have to go." They chose to go because they believed it would increase there security

Funny, the Hamas says the same thing. You can either chose to believe that, or that officials from both sides, did make a significant move towards peace, for a bigger purpose.

**ZFBoxcar** · 19 Aug 05,, 00:58

Hamas doesn't say that. They claim they drove the Israelis out of Gaza.

**Asim Aquil** · 19 Aug 05,, 01:08

I don't see much difference.

Of all the times, now you choose to agree with the Hamas? Reason I say this, thats what was echoed on ABC News by Jewish settlers.

Its a non-issue if you look at it. It'll serve Israelis and the Palestinians to approach the issue with a one track mind.

**Leader** · 19 Aug 05,, 01:22

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

Right away?

With as much haste as humanly possible.

Impossible ask don't you think?

They're not trying hard enough.

For now containment should suffice, even thats a big task.

Containment is not acceptable.

[quote]I'm talking current affairs, you're talking history. There's too much past between the two races, they need to think in the NOW than what happened before. First each side gets its **** in order then they move.[/qutoe]

Ignoring the past is absurd. The PA made it's bed by supporting terrorism and rejecting peace. Now, they can sleep in it. I don't expect the Israelis to be looking to negotiate. They should do what they have to ensure their security.

Funny, the Hamas says the same thing.

I could careless. My beliefs are supported by facts. Theirs are supported by BS.

**ZFBoxcar** · 19 Aug 05,, 03:23

I don't agree with Hamas, I was just saying that they do not see it the same way the Israeli government does. The Israeli government thinks it is doing what is best for Israel. Partly because of the demographic threat and partly to help the peace process.

**SloMax** · 27 Aug 05,, 13:24

Number of W Bank settlers rises

The number of Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank has grown by more than 9,000 so far in 2005, an Israeli interior ministry official has said.

This is despite the recent evacuation of four West Bank settlements.

The spokesman, Gilad Heiman, said that the increase was due mainly to an influx of ultra-Orthodox Jews into the larger West Bank settlements.

Mr Heiman said more than 246,000 settlers now lived on what he called occupied land.

This figure does not count the 200,000 Israeli Jews who live in East Jerusalem, which Israel has annexed.

The international community does not recognises this annexation, considering East Jerusalem occupied territory and part of the West Bank.

Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has promised to continue the programme of building new Jewish settlements in the West Bank following the evacuation of settlements in the Gaza Strip.

Gaza 'ruse'

Under the disengagement plan, Israel evicted approximately 9,000 settlers from all of the Gaza Strip and the four small settlements in the northern West Bank, territories occupied since 1967 by Israel.

Palestinian officials have for some time expressed the fear that disengagement is a ruse to cement Israeli control over much of the West Bank.

A Palestinian official expressed anger at the settler figures.

"Israel's insistence on expanding settlements represents a declaration of war against the Palestinians because it aims to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state by reinforcing and prolonging occupation," Palestinian minister Ghassan Khatib said.

Mr Khatib said Gaza disengagement would be meaningless "unless the international community compels Israel to match it with a stop to settlement expansion in the West Bank".

Mr Heiman said most of the newcomers to the West Bank were ultra-Orthodox Jews seeking affordable housing, while many others had moved to Maale Adumim, the largest West Bank settlement.

Despite the rising numbers, the majority of Israelis favour removing more West Bank settlements, according to a poll published in the country's biggest newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth.

A poll of 501 Israelis showed 54% backed further pullouts while 42% were opposed and 4% did not respond.

Gaza protester dies

In a separate development, an Israeli woman died Friday from burns she received when she set herself on fire last week to protest the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

Yelena Bosinova, 54, a resident of the Kedumim settlement in the West Bank, set fire to herself on 17 August at a roadblock near the southern Israeli town of Netivot.

She was the only Israeli who died during the evacuation of the 21 Gaza settlements, which was characterised by emotional but largely non-violent resistance.

link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4188216.stm