Iraq News Thread

[Static Caster]

The U.S.A. has started a war that they CANNOT WIN. The NEO-Con's are doing bin laden a HUGE favor, they are radicalizing the islamic world.

The U.S. Occupation will be repulsed by the Islamic world and America wil suffer a HUGE political defeat. Few nations are helping the U.S and their so called "Allies" will continue leaving the region (for example, if the 2 italian women held hostage in Iraq are beheaded just because Silvio Burlesconi wouldn't remove the pathetically small Italian force from Iraq, you could expect his political opponents to take advantage of that and not only would Silvio Burlesconi lose an election, the Americans would lose another Ally in the "War on Terror")

The Allawi and Karzai puppet governments do not stand a chance with their own people unless the United States gaurds them and that only reinforces their negative image of being puppet governments.

On a final note, just know that the terrorists/insurgents have been able to produce more sophisticated attacks on the overstretched and constantly overwhelmed U.S. forces.

[Ray]

So the terrorists win?

[Confed999]

The NEO-Con's

Funny, when you see someone say that, you know the rest of the post isn't worth reading. It's just more "evil right-wing conspiracy" stuff.

[Static Caster]

Funny, when you see someone say that, you know the rest of the post isn't worth reading. It's just more "evil right-wing conspiracy" stuff.

Well, I guess you'd be laughing your ass of if you watched the Canadian news (on any channel). That's exactly where you'll here that. Some of the most prestigious American Foreign Correspondent's (who FOUGHT in Vietnam unlike your president) refer to a select few politicians as Neo-Cons as well
Especially Eric Margolis ==> http://www.bigeye.com/foreignc.htm



p.s. I think Terrorists are evil, Bush and his Neo-Cons are idiots.

[Static Caster]

So the terrorists win?

Something confuses me...TERRORISTS are what I hear the U.S. media trying to label the IRAQI CIVILIAN UPRISING which is fighting to get the American military out of Iraq. I think the word "terrorist" has been completely bastardized by Bush and it seems to apply to every single person who questions his war on Terror....after all, didn't he say "you're either with us or you're with the Terrorists".

I guess that means that Canadians are Terrorists because our Prime minister said NO to troop deployment.

Oh and by the way, expect Poland (a Touted American Ally) to withdraw from Iraq between November and January (CNN - Wolf Blitzer reporting).

[Confed999]

Bush and his Neo-Cons are idiots.

I think nearly all politicians suck, so that really doesn't hurt my feelings. My point about people who say "neo-con" still stands.

TERRORISTS are what I hear the U.S. media trying to label the IRAQI CIVILIAN UPRISING

They're using terrorist tactics, thus they are terrorists. They aren't fighting so much to remove the Coalition, it's to put another tyrant in power. Was Tim McVeigh a terrorist, or a rebel?

I guess that means that Canadians are Terrorists because our Prime minister said NO to troop deployment.

Nope, Canida is helping out alot. They're taking over US deployments in other places to free up troops for the liberation of Iraq.

Oh and by the way, expect Poland (a Touted American Ally) to withdraw from Iraq between November and January

Isn't that when their scheduled deployment is over? I'm pretty sure it is, so this is no new news.

[Ray]

Something confuses me...TERRORISTS are what I hear the U.S. media trying to label the IRAQI CIVILIAN UPRISING which is fighting to get the American military out of Iraq. I think the word "terrorist" has been completely bastardized by Bush and it seems to apply to every single person who questions his war on Terror....after all, didn't he say "you're either with us or you're with the Terrorists".

I guess that means that Canadians are Terrorists because our Prime minister said NO to troop deployment.

Oh and by the way, expect Poland (a Touted American Ally) to withdraw from Iraq between November and January (CNN - Wolf Blitzer reporting).

OK. They are not terrorists, just for arguments sakes, if that assist your semantic urge.

OK, the US is terrible. They are imperialists and occupiers.

BUT,

Can you explain then why these wonderful loyal Iraqis should create a law and order problem when the elections are scheduled in Jan 05? After all, if the elections are held and that too under the UN auspices, where is the hassle to have a govt that is the popular one from the Iraqi stand point?

Surely, if all Iraqis can vote a govt of their choice, whould that not be in the interest of Iraq? If every Iraqi is anti US, then obviously they would vote for a govt that would ensure their aspirations? So, where is the problem and why ensure that no election can be held because of the law and order problems?

Let's also look at elections being held in Jan by hook or by crook. Many areas of Iraq may not be able to vote. Then , again the Iraqi 'nationalists' would cry UNFAIR.

Since you have raised the issue, do you have the solution? I would sure love to hear it since I am totally befuddled with what these armed blokes claiming to be 'nationalists' want..

[Static Caster]

They're using terrorist tactics, thus they are terrorists. They aren't fighting so much to remove the Coalition, it's to put another tyrant in power. Was Tim McVeigh a terrorist, or a rebel?

#1) Terrorist Tactics are for the poor... e.g. Iraq, Afganistan.

#2) Tanks, F-15's, Bullet Proof armor, MILITARY TRAINING, etc. etc....are for the
Rich.

#3) Trying to put another Tyrant in power???? If that's what the majority of people want, then let them.... isn't that what a free society is about? Oh, and please don't use that lame word...TYRANT. The CIA has a record of installing HEROES and renaming them to TYRANTS.

Nope, Canida (CANADA) is helping out alot. They're taking over US deployments in other places to free up troops for the liberation of Iraq.

#4) WHAT A JOKE!!!!!! Confed999, I'm sure you know A LOT more about military
stuff than I know BUT, are you aware that the police presence during the Republican Convention in New York was almost twice the size of Canada's entire Military??? (and probably better armed with heavy vehicles) Look it up in the CIA Factbook website, Canada's military is purely meant for peace keeping and other duties (like building schools and purifying water in Africa). Canada, CANNOT FIGHT INSURGENTS IN AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ.

Isn't that when their scheduled deployment is over? I'm pretty sure it is, so this is no new news.

Look how the insurgency is going? Can anybody fighting the war on Terror lose another USEFUL Ally who is actually fighting rather than donating charitable dollars (LIKE CANADA).

I think nearly all politicians suck, so that really doesn't hurt my feelings. My point about people who say "neo-con" still stands.

I agree with you that NEARLY ALL POLITICIANS SUCK. I think John Kerry sucks just as bad as Goerge W. Bush and I believe that most of the voters who will vote for John Kerry are more ANTI-BUSH than PRO-KERRY.....sad.
Also, my intentions are definitely not to offend anyone. I have read the rules for this excellent forum and I don't want to make personal attacks (to hurt feelings) against anyone.

[Officer of Engineers]

STATIC CASTOR,

AS A FORMER LIEUTENANT-COLONEL OF THE CANADIAN FORCES, I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.

There has been NOT one deployment that we went on that we did not punch above our weight. Our people in theatre is top notch, despite the vast majority of somewhat outdated equipment. The Canadians are the 2nd most deployed Army in NATO because everybody keep asking for us and because we're that damned good.

The Americans had nothing but praise for us in Afghanistan. We were the 3rd largest ground force deployed there. Alot of members of 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group even got the Silver Star from the Americans.

So, learn alot more about your own Army before you put us in the crap hole.

[Officer of Engineers]

#4) WHAT A JOKE!!!!!! Confed999, I'm sure you know A LOT more about military
stuff than I know BUT, are you aware that the police presence during the Republican Convention in New York was almost twice the size of Canada's entire Military??? (and probably better armed with heavy vehicles) Look it up in the CIA Factbook website, Canada's military is purely meant for peace keeping and other duties (like building schools and purifying water in Africa). Canada, CANNOT FIGHT INSURGENTS IN AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ.

1st of all, the primary purpose of the Canadian Forces is to defend Canada. 2nd, under the North Atlantic Treaty, we are committed to the defence of our allies. In other words, we are war fighting army, navy, and air force.

We've seen a hell of alot of combat, especially during the Yugoslav Civil War. 2 PPCLI Battle Group destroyed the Croat Lukid "Wolves" Brigade. 3 PPCLI BG did the Operation HARPOON in support of the American Operation ANNACONDA. Our Special Forces, the Joint Task Force II, took a hell of alot of prisoners in Afghanistan. Our snipers hold the longest kill shot on record - over 2000 metres.

On the Navy side, we provided flank protection to American Carrier Vehicle Battle Groups in both Afghan and the Iraqi theatres.

With the Air Force, as part of NORAD, we were defending American air space as well as ours right after 11 Sept. With four percent of the force, we flew 10% of the sorties in Kosovo.

And I wished Canadians would learn a little more about the real military. The combined police forces of the entire New York State would not survive open battle against a single Canadian Mechanized Brigade Group, never mind the three CMBGs that we have.

Damned right we can fight and we can fight damned good!

[Jay]

Especially Eric Margolis ==> http://www.bigeye.com/foreignc.htm

Eric Margolis is prestigous? OK!

[Confed999]

#1) Terrorist Tactics are for the poor... e.g. Iraq, Afganistan.

Wrong, guerilla tactics are for the poor. Terrorist tactics are for criminals.

isn't that what a free society is about?

No. A free society is not enslaved.

Oh, and please don't use that lame word...TYRANT.

If we're talking about a tyrant, I will use the word tyrant. I'd get used to it if I were you.
Main Entry: ty·rant
Pronunciation: 'tI-r&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tirant, from Old French tyran, tyrant, from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty
2 a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power
Saddam fits that on more than one level, thus he's a tyrant.

The CIA has a record of installing HEROES and renaming them to TYRANTS.

Like I said, if they're tyrants they are tyrants. I don't like them, and depending on the circumstances, I don't like the people who put them there.

#4) WHAT A JOKE!!!!!! Confed999, I'm sure you know A LOT more about military stuff than I know

You're right, I do know more about the military stuff than you, but Officer of Engineers knows more than you and I combined will ever know. Turns out my statement wasn't the joke.

Can anybody fighting the war on Terror lose another USEFUL Ally who is actually fighting rather than donating charitable dollars (LIKE CANADA).

Nearly evey country in the world is in on the war on terror, but not all in the same places. No allies have been lost, unless you can point to some broken alliances?

I agree with you that NEARLY ALL POLITICIANS SUCK.

Then we agree on one thing.

[Static Caster]

1st of all, the primary purpose of the Canadian Forces is to defend Canada.

Our snipers hold the longest kill shot on record - over 2000 metres.

I'm sure that could help in Iraq...

On the Navy side, we provided flank protection to American Carrier Vehicle Battle Groups in both Afghan and the Iraqi theatres.

Congratulations to all the military accomplishments of Canadians. Perhaps I was a little bit TOO PESSIMISTIC about the Canadian forces and I offended some people HOWEVER, Officer Of Engineers, Canada has never fought a war like the one being fought in Iraq. Americans aren't fighting against a regular foreign military, they did very briefly and took Iraq by Storm. They are fighting a CIVILIAN UPRISING. Don't you see what is happening on the news? Americans enter cities like Najaf and Basra to setup checkpoints (and pretend they have things under control) only to have suicide bombers blow themselves up killing and wounding many soldiers AND.... the accomplices to the suicide bomber stay and hide...waiting for military doctors to arrive so that they can shoot off rocket propelled grenades. These brazen attacks have increased tremendously over the last month and things will only get MUCH WORSE.

Officer Of Engineers, I guess Canadian troops do have the longest kill shot on record, however, that means VERY LITTLE when you have to patrol cities (where the people hate your guts) and try to maintain the peace (and keep a Puppet government in power).

With the Air Force, as part of NORAD, we were defending American air space as well as ours right after 11 Sept. With four percent of the force, we flew 10% of the sorties in Kosovo.

Yes, that's quite an accomplishment but it does NOTHING for the war on "terror".

There has been NOT one deployment that we went on that we did not punch above our weight.

Then I guess you have a lot of respect for the ten's of thousands of Iraqi goat herders who have spent a few dinars on AK/47's and have made a mockery of U.S. troops all around Iraq.

Nearly evey country in the world is in on the war on terror, but not all in the same places.

The moment the Americans entered Iraq, the "WAR ON TERROR" lost it's credibility....and yes, you have lost many IMPORTANT allies.

If we're talking about a tyrant, I will use the word tyrant. I'd get used to it if I were you.

Perhaps you should also consider that America's tyrants (Bin Laden, Hussein, Khadafi, etc. etc.) were former allies to the United States. America holds the 'receipts' to Saddam Husseins "WMD's" and that makes Bush a Tyrant as well.


Also,

Damned right we can fight and we can fight damned good!

Well, the Americans can fight even better yet, it means very little when you are fighting a war (in Iraq) for all the WRONG reasons.


Finally,

Wrong, guerilla tactics are for the poor. Terrorist tactics are for criminals.

America's war in Iraq is illegal and a crime in itself...I think that IRAQI CIVILIANS who wish to fight Americans can do so with whatever means they want.

[Officer of Engineers]

Congratulations to all the military accomplishments of Canadians. Perhaps I was a little bit TOO PESSIMISTIC about the Canadian forces and I offended some people HOWEVER, Officer Of Engineers, Canada has never fought a war like the one being fought in Iraq. Americans aren't fighting against a regular foreign military, they did very briefly and took Iraq by Storm. They are fighting a CIVILIAN UPRISING.

Boer War. Yes, we were in that one as well.

Don't you see what is happening on the news? Americans enter cities like Najaf and Basra to setup checkpoints (and pretend they have things under control) only to have suicide bombers blow themselves up killing and wounding many soldiers AND.... the accomplices to the suicide bomber stay and hide...waiting for military doctors to arrive so that they can shoot off rocket propelled grenades. These brazen attacks have increased tremendously over the last month and things will only get MUCH WORSE.

I do not know where the hell have you've been but we've already lost people, my people, to suicide bombers in Kabul.

Officer Of Engineers, I guess Canadian troops do have the longest kill shot on record, however, that means VERY LITTLE when you have to patrol cities (where the people hate your guts) and try to maintain the peace.

What do you think we were doing in Yugoslavia? The Croats hated our guts. The Muslims hated our guts. The Serbs hated our guts. We saw combat against all three.

Yes, that's quite an accomplishment but it does NOTHING for the war on "terror".

3 PPCLI BG destroyed an Al Qeida outpost. 3rd Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment BG took out an informant network. 3rd Battalion, Royal 22nd Regiment (Van Doos) BG destroyed Al Qeida armouries. We've killed and helped kill a hell of alot Al Qeida and Taliban. If those are nothing, then you better tell me what something is.

Then I guess you have a lot of respect for the ten's of thousands of Iraqi goat herders who have spent a few dinars on AK/47's and have made a mockery of U.S. troops all around Iraq.

I have no respect for anyone determined to outbleed the enemy. We inflict a hell of alot more damage than we took. The "goat herders" are trying to outbleed the Americans.

Well, the Americans can fight even better yet, it means very little when you are fighting a war (in Iraq) for all the WRONG reasons.

I have news for you. Once the 1st shot is fired, it matters dick all what the right reasons are and what the wrong reasons are. I'm a soldier and the only road to peace that I know is through victory. It doesn't matter anymore about WMDs, Saddam's murders, the Martians wanting to land in Babylon. We (and this includes Canada) have to fix it so that those American boys can go home and that means giving the Iraqis what they want - whenever they figure it out themselves and we better help them figure it out.

Last thing, the Americans can do the job without us. But they can do the job faster, better, and alot less bloodier with us than without us.

[Confed999]

America's war in Iraq is illegal

Prove it, show me the text of the law that was broken.