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    Next week Barack Obama will visit Israel, the first time he has done so since becoming US President in 2008. He will also visit the West Bank and Jordan. Subjects on the itinerary include reviving the peace process, the civil war Syria, and the Iranian nuclear problem. More than anything else perhaps, Obama says he feels a need to speak to the Israeli people directly. Indeed. According to recent polls, support for Israel among Americans today matches the high-point of the past quarter century. Conversely, support for a sitting American president among the Israeli people has never been so low as it is now for Barack Obama.




    March 15, 2013
    Americans' Sympathies for Israel Match All-Time High

    PRINCETON, NJ -- As President Barack Obama prepares to visit Israel, the Palestinian West Bank, and Jordan next week -- his first trip to the region as president -- Americans' sympathies lean heavily toward the Israelis over the Palestinians, 64% vs. 12%. Americans' partiality for Israel has consistently exceeded 60% since 2010; however, today's 64% ties the highest Gallup has recorded in a quarter century, last seen in 1991 during the Gulf War.

    Source: Gallup's 2013 World Affairs poll, conducted Feb. 7-10




    Obama numbers in Israel according to a poll conducted by the Maagar Mohot Institute.

    How the Israeli public views Barack Obama:

    38% of respondents believe Obama is hostile to Israel
    14% believe he is indifferent towards Israel
    30% believe he is supportive of Israel

    32% said they don't like him but respect him
    19% view him unfavorably
    17% have a highly unfavorable opinion of him
    10% view him favorably

    Source: Ma'ariv - 17/03/2013 (in Hebrew)

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    Who cares? The only polls that matter to Obama and the US are US polls. Obama is the US President and is not beholden to Israelis interests, only US interests. US has repeatedly asked Israel to stop building settlements and Israel told US to fuck off and takes US money. Be grateful that Israel is still receiving monetary & material support from the US even after telling off US. US would not be so lenient to another country with actions like these.

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    The University is raffling off tickets to Obama's speech later this week. I may happen to intensely dislike him and his policies, but I still am hoping to see if I won a ticket, because being present at a speech given by a US President is a once in a lifetime opportunity for some people.

    With regards to what do the polls matter, you need to remember that whether we like it or not, but on the Israeli and on the US side, for some reason Israel is STILL one of the big ticket issues in any election, and every candidate makes his way to Israel at some point in the campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigross86 View Post
    The University is raffling off tickets to Obama's speech later this week. I may happen to intensely dislike him and his policies, but I still am hoping to see if I won a ticket, because being present at a speech given by a US President is a once in a lifetime opportunity for some people.
    I saw him speak this past Friday at the nearby Argonne National Laboratory. He covered his concerns about the sequester and talked about his proposal to create an Energy Security Trust.

    I think you would enjoy him Ben. He is an excellent speaker, has a great sense of humor, and exudes charisma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigross86 View Post
    With regards to what do the polls matter, you need to remember that whether we like it or not, but on the Israeli and on the US side, for some reason Israel is STILL one of the big ticket issues in any election, and every candidate makes his way to Israel at some point in the campaign.
    If the last election is any indication at all, i think the future of American politics is liberalism and social agendas more than anything else. In the last election foreign policy and traditional american conservatism was jettisoned and replaced with liberalism and social agendas. When it comes to ME matters specifically, Israel will find favour with americans over its foes because, well, what's the alternative? Terrorist Hezbalah to the north, 70k people killer Asaad to the East, beheading KSA to the south east and the Brotherhood to the South-West........hardly candidates for the liberal cause. But as for the US elections themselves, Israel is not going to change scales anymore in my opinion. If there was ever a stronger Israel supporter, Mitt Romney was the guy but even him lost the Jewish vote. Nothing now compares to the liberal agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinja View Post
    If the last election is any indication at all, i think the future of American politics is liberalism and social agendas more than anything else. In the last election foreign policy and traditional american conservatism was jettisoned and replaced with liberalism and social agendas. When it comes to ME matters specifically, Israel will find favour with americans over its foes because, well, what's the alternative? Terrorist Hezbalah to the north, 70k people killer Asaad to the East, beheading KSA to the south east and the Brotherhood to the South-West........hardly candidates for the liberal cause. But as for the US elections themselves, Israel is not going to change scales anymore in my opinion. If there was ever a stronger Israel supporter, Mitt Romney was the guy but even him lost the Jewish vote. Nothing now compares to the liberal agenda.
    I agree. Interesting times ahead for the world community.
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    Well, for some unknown reason, the Jews have historically always voted Democrat, though I doubt even the Good Lord knows why....
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    Well, for some unknown reason, the Jews have historically always voted Democrat, though I doubt even the Good Lord knows why....
    jewish immigrants' urban history. the traditional republican power bloc used to be the WASP country elite, whom viewed jews as a step below the irish.

    on the other hand the traditional democratic power bloc was the urban machines.
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    I know, but it doesn't make sense for them to keep voting Democrat in the early 21st century. New York and New Jersey haven't gone Republican in something like 25 years, since Reagan, if I'm not mistaken. Considering that (stereotypically) Jews are in the money-making business, it would make sense for them to vote Republican, especially since it seems Democrats want to tax them more, but for some reason, they don't.

    If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that as a religious group, Judaism places a heavy emphasis both on charity as well as on social benefits (Sabbath, leaving the corners of the plowed fields for the poor, slaves go free and debts are erased every 7 years, etc...), and that goodwill towards those in a lesser position than you is more important than making obscenely large amounts of money. But this is just two-bit psychology....
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    It truly has puzzled political analysts (and myself) why a traditionally conservative and family-oriented culture such as U.S. Judaism would overwhelmingly vote democratic. Republicans have also tended to hold the Nation of Israel in higher esteem, been more sympathetic/cooperative, etc, yet consistently lose the Jewish vote come election time.

    It's baffling. As for Obama, it's too bad public image, charisma, and good humor do little in terms of solving some of the desperate problems we face.

    The U.S. public votes for a talking head these days rather than a leader. Could you imagine Taft, Truman, or other uncharismatic Presidents having a chance in this day and age? Hardly. I think it started with Kennedy, and has evolved since. Image uber substance.

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    I know, but it doesn't make sense for them to keep voting Democrat in the early 21st century. New York and New Jersey haven't gone Republican in something like 25 years, since Reagan, if I'm not mistaken. Considering that (stereotypically) Jews are in the money-making business, it would make sense for them to vote Republican, especially since it seems Democrats want to tax them more, but for some reason, they don't.

    If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that as a religious group, Judaism places a heavy emphasis both on charity as well as on social benefits (Sabbath, leaving the corners of the plowed fields for the poor, slaves go free and debts are erased every 7 years, etc...), and that goodwill towards those in a lesser position than you is more important than making obscenely large amounts of money. But this is just two-bit psychology....
    dude, you don't need me to tell you that the old Labor movement in israel was waaaay more lefty than the US democrats ever dreamed of being.

    also, despite the stereotype, i'd say most jews aren't so wealthy that they'd materially benefit from Republican (especially today's) policies.

    besides, how could you be so meshuggah to vote for dose verkakte republicans when your moth-ah is telling you othah-wise?
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    It truly has puzzled political analysts (and myself) why a traditionally conservative and family-oriented culture such as U.S. Judaism would overwhelmingly vote democratic.
    and the hispanics...and the asians....:P
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
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    dude, you don't need me to tell you that the old Labor movement in israel was waaaay more lefty than the US democrats ever dreamed of being.

    also, despite the stereotype, i'd say most jews aren't so wealthy that they'd materially benefit from Republican (especially today's) policies.

    besides, how could you be so meshuggah to vote for dose verkakte republicans when your moth-ah is telling you othah-wise?
    My muthah hasn't voted in US elections since we came here to Israel, she doesn't care enough, but my dad in NY always votes Democrat. Even though supposedly he votes his conscience each elections, he's voted Democrat for as long as I can remember
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    Daily laugh: Obama's limo failed slightly before Obama landed in Israel, after the driver filled it with gasoline instead of diesel
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