Secret Migration of Jews to the US 1939-45

**zraver** · 08 Feb 13,, 02:03

WTF.... How does anyone believe this crap?

Aide to Egyptian President Morsi claims Holocaust a US hoax | Fox News

HAIFA, Israel – A key figure in Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi's government called the Holocaust a hoax cooked up by U.S. intelligence operatives and claimed the 6 million Jews who were killed by Nazis simply moved to the U.S.

The outrageous claims, by Fathi Shihab-Eddim, a senior figure close to President Morsi who is now responsible for appointing the editors of all state-run Egyptian newspapers, came as the world marked Holocaust Remembrance Day on Jan. 27, and also as the U.S. continues to assess its relationship with the increasingly radical Arab state.

"The sad truth is that these views are relatively common in the Arab world and are the result of ignorance on one hand and of government-sponsored Holocaust denial on the other hand.”

- Efraim Zuroff, Simon Weisenthal Center

“The myth of the Holocaust is an industry that America invented,” Shihab-Eddim said, leaving no room for doubt that the Egyptian government -- like Iran's -- has at the very least significant elements that deny one of history's best documented genocides.

“U.S. intelligence agencies in cooperation with their counterparts in allied nations during World War II created it [the Holocaust] to destroy the image of their opponents in Germany, and to justify war and massive destruction against military and civilian facilities of the Axis powers, and especially to hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the atomic bomb,” Shihab-Eddim said.

The ludicrous claims were especially worrisome to Israeli experts who have been watching since the Muslim Brotherhood Morsi administration took over the Egyptian government in elections last summer, following the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, who maintained good relations with Israel. Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center in New York, said Shihab-Eddin's comments were as troubling as they were ridiculous.

“Fathi goes on to claim that the 6 million Jews all really moved to the United States during the war (and oddly no one noticed) and that the number of Jews killed in the war was about the number who died in traffic accidents,” Greenfield wrote in Frontpagemag.com.

Efraim Zuroff, Israel Director of the Jerusalem-based Simon Weisenthal Center, whose mission is to defend against anti-Semitism and teach the lessons of the Holocaust to future generations, told FoxNews.com the remarks show a dangerous, but common, mindset.

“Obviously, if a person in that position makes that ridiculous claim it is of concern," Zuroff said. "The sad truth is that these views are relatively common in the Arab world and are the result of ignorance on one hand and of government-sponsored Holocaust denial on the other hand.”

The latest Holocaust denial from a senior Egyptian figure comes hot on the heels of the much-publicized comments made by President Morsi in 2010, that Jews are “the descendants of apes and pigs,” remarks that Morsi insists were taken out of context. Despite Morsi's claims, archivists subsequently said the Egyptian leader made similar statements repeatedly before he rose to power.

Mohammed el-Baradei, a leading figure in Egypt’s secular opposition and formerly the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, spoke out against Morsi’s remarks and his assertion that his comments had been misinterpreted.

“We are all aware that those statements were not taken out of context and that this discourse is very common among a large number of clerics and members of Islamist groups, El-Baradei said. "Apart from the remarks themselves, I am calling upon the person who made them to courageously admit either the real stance he and the Muslim Brotherhood and their followers adopt, or how mistaken they had been for all those years.”

Anti-Semitic statements and denial of the Holocaust are seemingly part and parcel of the Muslim Brotherhood doctrine. Among many examples of the vitriol espoused by senior figures from the parent organization of the terrorist group Hamas, one of their spiritual leaders and a popular Islamic television figure, Youssef Al-Qaradawi said, “I’d like to say that the only thing I hope for is that as my life approaches its end, Allah will give me an opportunity to go to the land of Jihad [Israel] and resistance, even if in a wheelchair. I will shoot Allah’s enemies, the Jews, and they will throw a bomb at me, and thus, I will seal my life with martyrdom.”

Al-Qaradawi further stated in a 2009 broadcast about the Holocaust, “He [Hitler] managed to put them [the Jews] in their place. This [the Holocaust] was divine punishment for them. Allah willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.”

With Morsi facing significant resistance to his rapid imposition of more stifling legislation in Egypt, fears are rising that Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, and anti-Israeli rhetoric will increase in a country that continues to receive significant financial and logistical support from the U.S. The Obama administration recently began shipping a foreign aid package to Egypt that includes 20 F-16 fighter jets and 200 Abrams tanks.

Zuroff said the sinister statements by a top Morsi aide should give other nations pause for thought in evaluating their relationships with the new government in Cairo.

“Government-sponsored Holocaust denial is the most dangerous...as opposed to attempts by individuals to convince people that the Holocaust did not take place," Zuroff said. "When it comes with a strict Islamic interpretation and one which is basically anti-Semitic, then it becomes much more dangerous.”

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**USSWisconsin** · 08 Feb 13,, 06:26

With Morsi facing significant resistance to his rapid imposition of more stifling legislation in Egypt, fears are rising that Holocaust denial, anti-Semitism, and anti-Israeli rhetoric will increase in a country that continues to receive significant financial and logistical support from the U.S. The Obama administration recently began shipping a foreign aid package to Egypt that includes 20 F-16 fighter jets and 200 Abrams tanks.

Read more: Aide to Egyptian President Morsi claims Holocaust a US hoax | Fox News

Doesn't this kind of crap interfere with Egypt getting weapons like these from the US?

**Bigfella** · 08 Feb 13,, 06:54

Originally Posted by USSWisconsin

Doesn't this kind of crap interfere with Egypt getting weapons like these from the US?

Never has in the past. I'm betting similar things get said in places like Saudi Arabia, the Persian Gulf, south Asia & even japan on occasion. It may be a bit more open now in some places, but even US allies in the ME have long been happy to direct the anger of their population at 'the Jews'. There is also a history of association with some nasty fascist types in Cold War Europe when they were convenient. As always the calculation comes down to realpolitik.

**kuku** · 08 Feb 13,, 07:10

If the people let such voices go unchallenged in their nations & communities, they end up facing the biggest consequences of such extremism. Before they screw up the world these extremists make life hell at home.

**Minskaya** · 08 Feb 13,, 07:42

Anyone who understands Arabic and listens to Egyptian radio can hear Holocaust denial and more. The Jews are poisoning the Nile. The Jews are introducing AIDS into Egypt via chewing gum. Yada, yada, yada.

**bigross86** · 08 Feb 13,, 12:09

"Following the war, word was spread that six million Jews were amongst the victims and that a war of extermination was aimed primarily at the Jews ... The truth is that no one can either confirm or deny this figure. In other words, it is possible that the number of Jewish victims reached six million, but at the same time it is possible that the figure is much smaller--below one million....It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure so that their gains will be greater, .... This led them to emphasize this figure [six million] in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions--fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand.....

.....a partnership was established between Hitler's Nazis and the leadership of the Zionist movement ... [the Zionists gave] permission to every racist in the world, led by Hitler and the Nazis, to treat Jews as they wish, so long as it guarantees immigration to Palestine.....having more victims meant greater rights and stronger privilege to join the negotiation table for dividing the spoils of war once it was over. However, since Zionism was not a fighting partner--suffering victims in a battle--it had no escape but to offer up human beings, under any name, to raise the number of victims, which they could then boast of at the moment of accounting."

Abbas, Mahmoud. The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. Amman: Dar Ibn Rushd, 1984. Print.

**Doktor** · 08 Feb 13,, 12:49

What will be next? Zionists made a pact with Martians, who were teleporting them from gas chambers to USA?

**kato** · 08 Feb 13,, 15:45

Fox News managed to get the name of the Simon Wiesenthal Center wrong in the above article.

Edit: And Mursi's name, though that one can be deferred as transliteration problems.

**USSWisconsin** · 08 Feb 13,, 16:21

Abbas, Mahmoud. The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. Amman: Dar Ibn Rushd, 1984. Print.

The Far Side

**Minskaya** · 08 Feb 13,, 19:24

Originally Posted by bigross86

Abbas, Mahmoud. The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. Amman: Dar Ibn Rushd, 1984. Print.

The book above by Mahmoud Abbas was based on his Candidate of Science (a Russian degree equivalent to a PhD) thesis paper while a graduate student at Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow.

Dissertation: Связи между сионизмом и нацизмом, 1933–1945 (Connection between between Zionism and Nazism, 1933-1945)
Oral Defense: Институт востоковедения Академии наук СССР (The Institute of Oriental Studies of the Soviet Academy of Sciences)
Thesis Adviser: Владимир Иванович Киселёв (Vladimir Ivanovich Kisilev)

A Russian mathematics professor described PLU as the place where 'the best of the world's worst students' come for an easy degree. Today it is known as Университет дружбы народов России (Peoples' Friendship University of Russia).

**kuku** · 08 Feb 13,, 19:46

Originally Posted by bigross86

"Following the war, word was spread that six million Jews were amongst the victims and that a war of extermination was aimed primarily at the Jews ... The truth is that no one can either confirm or deny this figure. In other words, it is possible that the number of Jewish victims reached six million, but at the same time it is possible that the figure is much smaller--below one million....It seems that the interest of the Zionist movement, however, is to inflate this figure so that their gains will be greater, .... This led them to emphasize this figure [six million] in order to gain the solidarity of international public opinion with Zionism. Many scholars have debated the figure of six million and reached stunning conclusions--fixing the number of Jewish victims at only a few hundred thousand.....

.....a partnership was established between Hitler's Nazis and the leadership of the Zionist movement ... [the Zionists gave] permission to every racist in the world, led by Hitler and the Nazis, to treat Jews as they wish, so long as it guarantees immigration to Palestine.....having more victims meant greater rights and stronger privilege to join the negotiation table for dividing the spoils of war once it was over. However, since Zionism was not a fighting partner--suffering victims in a battle--it had no escape but to offer up human beings, under any name, to raise the number of victims, which they could then boast of at the moment of accounting."

Abbas, Mahmoud. The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism. Amman: Dar Ibn Rushd, 1984. Print.

The dangers such people pose is the degradation and destruction of their own nations, before they pose any danger to Israel, such venom being spit with an agenda behind it should sound red lights in the nations they live in. it is sad however if they are publicised as intellectuals and given a platform to speak, they will burn their own homes much before they even look at the direction of Israel.
If the Arabs are listening to such people as leaders instead of condemning such people, and making sure they are made fun of as insane idiots, they are just ruining their own future.

**Tronic** · 09 Feb 13,, 03:46

I could understand if delusions could put food on the table, otherwise I don't get the point of such BS being channeled by government officials in a select few countries.

**zraver** · 09 Feb 13,, 05:13

Originally Posted by Tronic

I could understand if delusions could put food on the table, otherwise I don't get the point of such BS being channeled by government officials in a select few countries.

i can understand the normal holocaust denial, its based on a very selective and flawed reading of true history mixed with agenda and the result is tin hattery. Holocaust denial, Kennedy Shooting, 9-11. All fairly easily debunked. For example, we can't really prove 6 million Jews died. The destruction of records by war and by design prevent an true accounting. However, we can prove that there was an organized effort to kill as many of them as possible and that post war ,millions of Jews who had been alive before the Nazi arrivals were now missing, never to be seen again. Plus we have photographic evidence for hundreds of thousands of bodies the Nazi's were unable to dispose of in 1945. So at the end of the day it doesn't matter if it was 1 million or 6 million it was organized industrial scale murder for racial/religious reasons- Period Full Stop. Because they try and use historical fact, historical fact can be used against them.

But when someone claims the were all secretly smuggled to the US... How can you debate that with facts? You can't. They are in the land of wing nuts and cuckoos.

**Mihais** · 09 Feb 13,, 07:31

Originally Posted by zraver

i can understand the normal holocaust denial, its based on a very selective and flawed reading of true history mixed with agenda and the result is tin hattery. Holocaust, Kennedy Shooting, 9-11. All fairly easily debunked. For example, we can't really prove 6 million Jews died. The destruction of records by war and by design prevent an true accounting. However, we can prove that there was an organized effort to kill as many of them as possible and that post war ,millions of Jews who had been alive before the Nazi arrivals were now missing, never to be seen again. Plus we have photographic evidence for hundreds of thousands of bodies the Nazi's were unable to dispose of in 1945. So at the end of the day it doesn't matter if it was 1 million or 6 million it was organized industrial scale murder for racial/religious reasons- Period Full Stop. Because they try and use historical fact, historical fact can be used against them.

But when someone claims the were all secretly smuggled to the US... How can you debate that with facts? You can't. They are in the land of wing nuts and cuckoos.

You'll go to jail in some countries for saying the above.

Problem is you get in a vicious circle wrt propaganda.the Jews use the Holocaust in a political sense to justify the State of Israel as the ultimate safe zone for Jews worldwide.The other side is simply attacking the opponent at its root.
They have a chance of success.The Jews managed to lobby their tragedy as the nr.1 tragedy.And it is,for them.That very fact creates resentment.Mix that with present day politics and you have a bomb waiting to go off.

I don't expect sanity suddenly becoming mainstream to mankind in my lifetime,so this sort of stuff will carry on,at a faster pace.And as generations pass,there will be always an incentive to challenge the official version of the past.Happens all the time,with everything.

**Minskaya** · 09 Feb 13,, 10:05

This thread reminds me of the French cleric Patrick Desbois. Since 2000, Father Desbois and his team (Yahad-In Unum / Together) have interviewed witnesses and documented over 800 previously unrecorded mass graves in Ukraine and Belarus. In my home city of Zaporozhye, over 35,000 people were shot during two years of Nazi occupation. God bless Father Desbois for his invaluable contributions to Holocaust history.

Last Witnesses of the Holocaust: A Priest's Search for Mass Graves in Ukraine

Note: The German government recently awarded Father Desbois and his forensics team a considerable sum of money to continue their Holocaust work. Father Desbois estimates that only five or six years remain to interview living witnesses in Ukraine.