Iraq: The Wrong War

**Shek** · 24 May 05,, 05:35

Originally Posted by Semper Fi

It was not only Shia's who voted it was also Kurds and Sunni's. I doubt they would risk blowing themsleves up that day if their was a chance they might be blowing up members of their own tribes.

And what part of Shia's being scared to be blown to bits by their dear friends the Sunni's in a large Shia gathering dont you understand?

So you think that the Al Mahdi Army didn't bounce the event? Maybe they should have worn yellow shirts with "Event Security" written on them so that you would have seen them in the pictures of an event that had fewer folks than a high school football game in attendance, but made headlines as if the majority of Iraqi Shia had attended. That is, unless Al Mahdi was part of the 6,000 count, which means the protests drew even fewer outsiders.

Next, AI, AS, and AQ are the groups that are carrying out the homicide car bomb attacks, the same groups that threatened homicide car bomb attacks on election day. They don't care about life. Also, it's kind of hard for foreign fighters to blow up members of their own tribe in Iraq, don't you think?

If you want me to take out Sunnis and Kurds from my numbers, I'll do it. 0.038% of Shia attended the rallies to protest the American presence. That's less than 4 people out of every 10,000. To put it another way, 9,996 out of every 10,000 Shia didn't attend.

**Semper Fi** · 24 May 05,, 05:35

Originally Posted by dalem

Dodging the question. Do you support us invading Iran tomorrow?

Why the hell would, I support invading Iran now when we pretty much have are hands full in Afghanistan and Iraq right now. Before Iraq yes.

Originally Posted by dalem

No no, you are claiming they ARE terrorists, and you should prove it.

Oh, I get it so people who burn the American flag and chant death to america are not terrorists. Well this is how, I can prove they are. Go to Pakistan where they have one of these protest and while their chanting death to america say out loud, I'm a american and when you end up like Daniel Pearl then we should know if your little theory about people chanting death to american and burning the american flag could not possibly terrorists, I mean how could they it's not like they hate us or anything and want us dead.

Irrelevant. You claim that for every terrorist we kill we create another. I see that line spouted a lot. I am asking you to use your brain and present some proof for your claim.

-dale[/QUOTE]

How the hell is that irrevelant if, I said some of them who chant "Death to America" and burn the american flag with their children are not possibly going to be terrorists someday. So you are trying to tell me before someone becomes a terrorists they never go to protest and burn american flags?

What they suddenly wake up one day and say today would be a good day to become a suicide bomber.

**Semper Fi** · 24 May 05,, 05:40

Originally Posted by Bluesman

What an incredibly poor analysis of the situation.

Are you aware, junior, that Zarqawi just got approval to do that very thing - blow up ANYbody, that is - if the objective was to get the Yanks? Not that it stopped him for a second before he got said approval, but now he has something like religious top-cover for whatever bestiality he'd care to commit, as long as he can claim an infidel in the bodycount, or even if that's what they were after, but missed.

As for understanding anything, are you really sure you want to compare intellectual dick size in this company, peewee?

You just contradicted yourself with this quote you moron. "Zarqawi just got approval to do that very thing - blow up ANYbody, that is - if the objective was to get the Yanks?"

How long ago did the elections take place?

**dalem** · 24 May 05,, 05:41

Semper Fi-

Sadly, I hope that's a rubber Ka-bar that you're playing with there. Your efforts so far have shown no ability to reason yourself outside of the wet paper bag you have climbed into.

I wish you luck in your life. You're gonna need some.

-dale

**Officer of Engineers** · 24 May 05,, 05:42

Originally Posted by dalem

I know what it was based on. I just think it's stupid to set any such thing in stone.

-dale

The official doctrine of the USArmy is still FM 3.0

**Shek** · 24 May 05,, 05:51

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The official doctrine of the USArmy is still FM 3.0

Sir, they are referring to strategic doctrine in the political arena and not operational doctrine in the military sense.

**dalem** · 24 May 05,, 05:55

Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

The official doctrine of the USArmy is still FM 3.0

K. But that's a lot more flexible than either the Dale Doctrine or the Powell Doctrine.

-dale

**Bluesman** · 24 May 05,, 05:56

Originally Posted by dalem

Semper Fi-

Sadly, I hope that's a rubber Ka-bar that you're playing with there. Your efforts so far have shown no ability to reason yourself outside of the wet paper bag you have climbed into.

I wish you luck in your life. You're gonna need some.

-dale

I was VERY unwise to re-engage this clown, dalem. Should've written him off that once and DONE. But no, I hadda give him an excuse to keep polluting the thread.

Learned my lesson; he's joined the bodycount.

**Semper Fi** · 24 May 05,, 06:00

Originally Posted by shek

So you think that the Al Mahdi Army didn't bounce the event? Maybe they should have worn yellow shirts with "Event Security" written on them so that you would have seen them in the pictures of an event that had fewer folks than a high school football game in attendance, but made headlines as if the majority of Iraqi Shia had attended. That is, unless Al Mahdi was part of the 6,000 count, which means the protests drew even fewer outsiders.

Wait are you trying to tell me suicide bombers would stop a attack just because the Al Mahdi Army was their? Their has been several attacks on Shiite areas, I'm pretty sure Al Mahdi Army was their and suicide bombers could care less.

Originally Posted by shek

Next, AI, AS, and AQ are the groups that are carrying out the homicide car bomb attacks, the same groups that threatened homicide car bomb attacks on election day. They don't care about life. Also, it's kind of hard for foreign fighters to blow up members of their own tribe in Iraq, don't you think?

Do have any proof that the suicide car bombers are only foreing fighters. I was not aware Iraqis were not capable of blowing themselves up.

Originally Posted by shek

If you want me to take out Sunnis and Kurds from my numbers, I'll do it. 0.038% of Shia attended the rallies to protest the American presence. That's less than 4 people out of every 10,000. To put it another way, 9,996 out of every 10,000 Shia didn't attend.

Like, I said at this point the Sunni and Shia are not in good relations. Why would several Shia make theirselves a huge target since they what could happen.

**Semper Fi** · 24 May 05,, 06:06

Originally Posted by dalem

Semper Fi-

Sadly, I hope that's a rubber Ka-bar that you're playing with there. Your efforts so far have shown no ability to reason yourself outside of the wet paper bag you have climbed into.

I wish you luck in your life. You're gonna need some.

-dale

Why because, I dont agree with you?

I guess then several millions in the US are also going to need the same luck huh?

I also wish you luck in life especially our armed forces all around the world. Dont worry about me though after, I finish my EMT course and apply to become a Paramedic, I will to busy to disagree with you here.

**BenRoethig** · 24 May 05,, 06:16

You shouldn't need a reason to depose a genocidal maniac. Instead of the leftists asking how could we justify going in there, they should be asked how they just sat there and do nothing while inocents died.

**Bill** · 24 May 05,, 06:54

"And M21Sniper if Osama Bin Laden was in the same room with me the only one who would have a smile on their face would be me..........after, I removed his head with my ka-bar."

Then pull on some BDUs, rejoin your MEU, and lets make it friggin happen.

All this dissention only serves to further embolden the enemy.

Didn't you people learn anything from Vietnam?

I mean, jesus christ already.

**Bill** · 24 May 05,, 06:55

"Have you heard of the Powell Doctrine? I believe General Powell, as Chairman of the JCS, qualified as a militarily knowledgable man. The fourth part of Powell's doctrine stated:

“ . . . There must be a clear exit strategy from the conflict in which the military is engaged,” "

There is, and it's an obvious one.

In Iraq, it's the election of a permanent gov't. So far, so good on that front.

In the overall WOT, it's victory.

So far, so good on that front too.

**Repatriated Canuck** · 24 May 05,, 12:57

Originally Posted by Semper Fi

Wait are you trying to tell me suicide bombers would stop a attack just because the Al Mahdi Army was their? Their has been several attacks on Shiite areas, I'm pretty sure Al Mahdi Army was their and suicide bombers could care less.

Do have any proof that the suicide car bombers are only foreing fighters. I was not aware Iraqis were not capable of blowing themselves up.

Like, I said at this point the Sunni and Shia are not in good relations. Why would several Shia make theirselves a huge target since they what could happen.

Semper Fi my freind you've been flayed enough for being an idiot but I'd like to add one on. It's hard to believe someone's argument when you don't grasp basic spelling. For example: Shia make "themselves" ... not theirselves.

Furthermore, their implies ownership. There is the spelling used to imply location. Such as that man over "there" is an idiot.

**Repatriated Canuck** · 24 May 05,, 13:05

I've been cruising this site for a bit now reading what people have to say. I've come to this conclusion. Bluesman, I love you

What I have a hard time understanding is why people assume that they will ever know the whole picture as a civilian. The whole point of making something classified is so that everyone doesn't know the classified information. I mean why let the enemy know that you know everything they've done? I'd rather the bastard be surprised when I kick in his front door to get him and drag his ass away rather than be armed and ready. Most likely however, he just won't be there.

Semper Fi: note the correct use of "there" as used in a sentence