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Reply With QuotelmaoooOriginally Posted by maxor
Iran the great supporter of world equality and peace has had a shipment of farming equipment parts seized by the Pro western and obiously untrue to their islamic brethren nation of Turkey.
link with a few details found http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...EZUELA?SITE=APthere.
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Actually our islamic brethren are a much more real threat to us rather than to US, with their current regime and mindset.
How so?
First of all by the simple fact that they are a neigbouring country (and a traditional rival in regional power balance) in pursuit of nuclear weapons which against we have no defense capability (I assume only meaningfull deterrence against wmd is to have secondary strike capability). And also they have a totalitarian regime which does not accept basic human rights and freedoms and actively tries to export radical views which tend to get hold on our population.How so?
US is far away and has an educated population. They won't be effected from the radical views Iran is spreading nearly as much. And Iran will never dare nuke US, not even using terrorists.
TTL, do you think Turkey would pursue it's own nuclear program in the case Iran sucessfully complete it's own ?
I am not an expert on Tukey's defense priorities but I personally think that we should eventually have our own nuclear deterrant regardless of particular threat of Iran.
Though in the short run it might be more preferable to use such a large invesment in other areas and try to counter a nuclear Iran with diplomatic ties to NATO, EU vs.
but of course there is the question of this ties being how reliable and lasting.
I tend to agree with TTL that Iran is more of a threat to Turkey than the US. I posted this news report in the manner above because of the way that Iran has been manipulated in much of the recent US press coverage as the advocate for peace in Gaza and Iraq, and has been put up as kind of a technically harmless friend of everyone in alot of recent news coverage in my area.
The idea of them shipping arms covertly to south america to try to subvert US aims there and raise opposition to US influence, and having another middle eastern country recognize this and call the Iranian regime on it pretty much calls into question that publicized viewpoint.
The truth is that such ties have NEVER been reliable nor lasting. Turkey-West history (even since as late as 2000) is full of crises and turmoil. Our luck has been our geostrategic location. The moment we're not useful to the West anymore, we'll be tossed away like a piece of used paper.
Turkey needs its own nuclear deterrent capability in order to preserve its very survival in the long term. Not only against ideological threats like Iran, but whoever might get dirty ideas in regards to our beautiful Anatolia, Southeast, Black Sea, Thrace, Cyprus and/or Aegean.
Expanding Turkish lands to Misak-i Milli and the great goal of an independent, powerful Turan also shouldn't be forgotten.
Honestly I think the real issue is that Turkey needs to decide weather it wants to be European or Asian/middleeastern (yes I know it is technically some of each) at various times in history it has pulled at ties to both influences. The important thing to remember about western friendship is that you are allways friends of the Europeans untill one condition exists you have more wealth that is worth more to them than it will cost them to go through your military.
1) Nukes are not cost efficient for Turkey. I mean since we won't use them so why do we need them. That money can be spend for more useful equipments which makes Turkey more deterrent.
2) It is too late. International community...
3) There is no stability in any neighbour region of Turkey and nukes won't help to bring the stability.
I believe Turkey is under the nuclear umbrella of the United States. Just like Japan, there is no need for Turkey to spend public money on nuclear weapons, rather they should just focus on developing their economy and fostering their democracy which is rather weak in the standards of the West.
But rather high in the the standards of the Middle-East
Turkey perhaps could make an alliance with Israel, they have a Nuclear deterrant.
So why did they impound the Agricultural equipment?
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