Thread: Iraq: US dropped nuclear bomb near Basra in 1991, claims veteran

Originally Posted by TopHatter

Given the subject matter of the article itself, the whole "fourth-level, third-level" bit is, just like the article, a load of bulls--t.

No is not lost in translation, is just BS as you say. Perhaps I should have made it clearer that I didn't believe it; but the point was to ask the board how to demonstrate that it was false, and show just what kind of propaganda runs around here even in state TV, like the RAI.

If I were told about it I would have asked about the isotopes. But since this made it to state TV I thought that aspect should surely have been checked. Therefore, and not being an expert, I assumed they had checked it.

How ignorant is not to filter out something like that?

Many tell tale signs:

Scorched earth.
Cooked electronics.
Iradiated soil.
Satellite photos.

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Many tell tale signs:

Scorched earth.
Cooked electronics.
Iradiated soil.
Satellite photos.

Stop confounding this stupid conspiracy theory with facts.

Originally Posted by TopHatter

Stop confounding this stupid conspiracy theory with facts.

possibly,

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Originally Posted by TopHatter

Stop confounding this stupid conspiracy theory with facts.

This kind of "information" needs to be challenged, and challenged in real time. If there is a war, there is a war going on in the media constructed reality too.

One can have an opinion on what was the US doing in Vietnam. But Victor Davis Hanson makes the case that the US was beaten in Vietnam in large part by its own media.

Is a crucial front.

Is it true trace isotopes can identify not only which reactor but also which year as well? It sounds a little like fine wine connoisseurship to me, but ok. Trouble is, the agencies know what the bomb smells like; how do they know what the reactor smells like?

Originally Posted by Castellano

This kind of "information" needs to be challenged, and challenged in real time. If there is a war, there is a war going on in the media constructed reality too.

It's been challenged.

Beaten to death in fact.

So much so that it was never taken seriously by anybody of consequence in the first place.

End of story.

Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

Is it true trace isotopes can identify not only which reactor but also which year as well?

That's true from what I've heard.

Originally Posted by TopHatter

It's been challenged.

Beaten to death in fact.

So much so that it was never taken seriously by anybody of consequence in the first place.

End of story.

I noticed it from your first comment...No, is not the end of the story as you say. What is debated in this thread has little importance compared to an audience of millions of Italians. At the same time, when I opened the thread I was debating this piece of online news in the Spanish newspaper "El País", which is the most influential newspaper in Spanish language, itself arguably the second most influential language on Earth. If it wasn't beaten in the online debate, it could go to print the next day.

Sorry, but after Vietnam you should know how serious and crucial this is. Crushing the Tet Offensive means nothing. See what I mean now?

I thank OoE for his excellent (as always) remarks that day.

Originally Posted by Castellano

If it wasn't beaten in the online debate, it could go to print the next day.

You're saying that a major media publication would allow online discussion to detract from an obvious sales opportunity?

Whatever.

Originally Posted by TopHatter

You're saying that a major media publication would allow online discussion to detract from an obvious sales opportunity?

Whatever.

They won't dare if it is ridiculed. There is still a measure of shame when confronted with the evidence of outright lies. They want to be the NYT in Spanish language.

Originally Posted by Castellano

They won't dare if it is ridiculed. There is still a measure of shame when confronted with the evidence of outright lies. They want to be the NYT in Spanish language.

Then, and my apologies for saying this, there are a lot of gullible and/or unscientific people reading their newspaper.

Because I'm guessing that nobody ever considered Dreadnought's grocery list, at the very least?

• Scorched earth
• Cooked electronics
• Irradiated soil
• Satellite photos

How about the other points brought up in this thread:

• Lack of motive by the U.S.
• Lack of confirmation by USSR
• Lack of confirmation by Iran
• Probable large conventional, not nuclear munitions

Nobody thought of those points? That newspaper had no scientific consultants to point any of that out?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Originally Posted by Castellano

They want to be the NYT in Spanish language.

They want to have a declining subscription base and large scale layoffs?

In 1982 my local paper published as fact a new defensive system being developed by the US that was a direct crib of the system described in Clive Cussler's book Raise The Titanic right down to needing the 'rare mineral' byzanium.
As I'd read the book when it was published I wrote to them saying did they notice.
My name, along with about fifty others were acknowledged in the letters section under the heading 'point noted'. The true irony was it was printed in the science section of the paper and vetted by their science editor who apparently didn't know byzanium wasn't on the periodic table

Originally Posted by TopHatter

Nobody thought of those points? That newspaper had no scientific consultants to point any of that out?

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Perfectly well, is where I was coming from.

As a matter of fact, nobody checked it out in the RAI, which I assure you is a very important European TV station.

The newspaper has more latitude in the online edition. But that is why is so important to stop it in its tracks. It wouldn't be normal for something like this get through in El País - but it is not impossible. As far as I know it wasn't published in print.

I don't know how it was over there, but in Spain we were many months with the story of the million deaths from the Lancet "report". Nobody stopped for a minute and just checked the math of how many those meant a day. The BBC did the same. How scientific is that?

How is it possible? In a climate of anti-Americanism anything would do. I believe your own media does the same.