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    What would a McCain presidency mean for the Middle East?

    Talisman Gate بـاب الطلــسم: What would a McCain presidency mean for the Middle East?

    Thursday, September 18, 2008
    What would a McCain presidency mean for the Middle East?

    A McCain presidency can’t be a very reassuring thing for the House of Saud. Senator McCain is probably one of a handful of Washington players that the influential former Saudi ambassador to the U.S., Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, couldn’t get through to over the last two decades. The Saudis never saw the need to do that; they assumed that McCain was too anti-establishment, given his integrity-bound internal compass and natural maverick-ism, to ever make it to the highest rungs of the power game.

    They may be proven wrong.

    The Saudis can’t rely on existing channels to McCain that he has trusted and is likely to trust, whereas even with President George W. Bush, though he may have been alerted to the idea that the Saudi regime may be a liability more than an ally, at least he could be reached and reasoned with either through his father’s network, the Republican Party ‘realist’ foreign policy camp or the oil companies.

    No such long-standing channels connect the Saudis to McCain. He is too off their navigational charts, making him too dangerous for the long-term survivability of the Saudi royals for comfort; McCain is not a card-carrying member of the “This is how it’s always been, and this is how it should stay” elite—both Republican and Democrat—that’s been rubbing shoulders with the Saudis for decades.

    Let’s posit a hypothetical: How would America respond to another attack of the same or greater magnitude as 911, either on U.S. or European soil, and with young Saudis again being heavily involved?

    With McCain as president, the White House would be ready to contemplate a future Middle East that does not include the House of Saud remaining in power. A McCain presidency would challenge the conventional status quo, pushed by the Middle Eastern-related bureaucracies at the State Department, the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency, that the Saudi royals are needed to maintain stability within their country and throughout the region.

    McCain would likely see the Saudi royals are part of the problem, rather than as part of the solution. Alternatively, McCain may seek to invest more heavily in Iraq, a country and a cause dear to his heart, as the new regional power, and as America’s most important Muslim ally in the region.

    Yet a McCain White House would not be able to pursue alternatives to the Saudis without gutting out these change-averse bureaucracies at Langley and Foggy Bottom. However, a president such as John McCain, long seasoned in the labyrinths of Washington, would probably have a fairer idea of how to go about “shaking things up”, as he’s vowed to do on the campaign trail, than most others.

    It should be noted that there is a widely accepted and legal form of corruption at play: be nice to the Saudis while you’re at public office, and you shall be guaranteed a nice fat retirement bonus as a lobbyist, consultant, or ‘think-tank-er’. Public servants, whether they be diplomats or spooks, don’t make much money while they are on the government’s dole, but if they keep their heads down and go along with what the bureaucratic mandarins have mandated, then they too can benefit from Saudi or any other petrodollar largesse.

    These bureaucracies, as well as their ‘retired’ auxiliaries, bitterly pushed back against President Bush’s limited post-911 reforms, and they are seemingly rooting for Obama’s camp to win, reading Senator Barack Obama as the candidate of less change, and more importantly, the candidate of less experience at changing things.

    I’d imagine that the House of Saud would have studied Obama’s character and would have concluded that he’s a man they can do business with, if they haven’t got that ball rolling already. A quick glance at his former associates and bagmen—a shady character such as Tony Rezko and maybe that even shadier character, Nadhmi Auchi—would have the Saudis thinking, “Oh, sure, we’ve seen this before. Easy pickings.” Obama doesn’t seem too hung up on that whole integrity thing. There is much of the wheeler-dealer culture of the Chicago political machine—the machine that created the “community organizer” turned senator—that folks such as the Saudis can find instantly recognizable and identify with. Obama, in their eyes, would be morally flexible.

    Maybe that’s why almost all of the Arab media, much of it Saudi-owned, is following the lead of most American journalists by subtly and often not-so-subtly pushing for Obama. The Saudis could be purposely doing Obama an early favor by ‘gaming’ a battleground state such as Michigan, which has America’s largest Arab-speaking minority; these Arabic speakers may be swayed by the Arab media’s coverage and carried over to the Obama camp, if they were not so inclined already.

    Obama would be the sort of president that craves the glamour shots of him and Michelle sipping martinis at Camp David with King Abdullah and Queen Rania of Jordan. He’s not the kind of guy that will go out of his way to rock the boat.

    McCain, in this respect, is of a very different cut. He’s a man who has invited torture upon himself just to make a point when he was held as a POW, and he’d probably invite the torture victims of the Jordanian regime over to Camp David instead of hosting the royal couple that journos seem so enthralled with.

    That is why I think McCain would scare the hell out of the Saudis.

    In my experience, the corrupt are usually cowardly; they act tough, yet cower when face-to-face with what they fear. Whereas, it is those incorruptible types who posses that glint in their eyes that signals to whoever is making the mistake of messing with them to back off.

    The Iranians, the Syrians, and the jihadists would all probably set out to challenge Obama early on in his presidency, knowing full well that he may not have enough confidence, or the instinctual willingness, to meet a provocation eye-to-eye. Each challenge would further erode U.S. influence and leverage, much like what happened in Beirut on May 7th when Hezbollah went on a rampage on Iran and Syria’s behalf just to prove to America allies that they were, in effect, weak and friendless.

    The Iranians, the Syrians and the jihadists, or even the Russians for that matter, would think twice before pulling such stunts with President McCain. His temper, made famous and exaggerated by his political enemies, would strike fear in the hearts of America’s enemies.

    But then again, some fluffy and soppy Middle East ‘experts’ in the United States have pushed the notion that should America pick Obama, then America’s enemies would have less reason to hate America. The reasoning goes something like this: Obama reflects what is great about diversity and opportunity in America, and I agree. He’s half black, his father’s a Muslim, he was raised in Indonesia, and his rise to the top has been unprecedented and meteoric.

    But anti-Americanism, which nobody can deny is a real and virulent ‘internationalist’ ideology that is out there, is not a rational thought process of cause and effect. After all, why should Swedes so virulently hate certain American icons? Did ‘Burger King’ carpet-bomb Stockholm recently?

    These same ‘experts’ have been trying to peddle the notion that Al-Qaeda is simply misunderstood, that if the West would just meet their demands then they’d stop sending suicide bombers among grocery stalls in Baghdad or Kabul to kill randomly.

    I tend to think that is nonsense. Anti-Americanism will simply respond to an Obama presidency by finding new excuses to hate America, probably by using Obama’s background against him: “How dare he convert to Christianity! Christian America picked Obama in order to proselytize Muslims to turn against their faith!” Or better yet, “Obama’s father was a Shia, and that’s why Obama had been brainwashed, at an early age, to hate Sunnis!”

    It doesn’t have to be truthful; all it needs is to be believable. Truth and belief are two very different things.

    And believe me, it never ends. Irrationalism will always find a pathway to hatred.

    ‘America’s Enemies’: They won’t love you, so the next best thing is getting them to fear you.

    The worst thing that can happen to America’s image is to have it perceived as turning soft. When in the company of gangsters, that’s usually when the daggers come out.

    Sure, maybe the Flower-Power crowd is on to something; maybe all that the world needs to heal is a hug—but I’d watch my back anyway.


    UPDATE:

    There's always time for some levity in this tense election cycle, and I just wanted to put this out there because it's been gnawing at me for days now: Aren't there plenty of positive associations between John McCain and Popeye the Sailor Man? Why hasn't the McCain campaign seized on this? They kind of look like each other, especially with that portruding jaw and that grimace. McCain is going to be accused of being old anyway, so where's the downside with being associated with a combative and honorable old sailor who's life motto is "I y'am what I y'am" and who fights the good, clean fight. They also share the distinction of being adoptive parents (...remember Sweapea...?). Apart from Bluto, who wouldn't love good ol' Popeye? And Bluto, in his many foiled attempts to steal away Olive Oyl is just like the Obama campaign trying to bring back Hillary's female voters! But I can't figure who or what the Wimpy character ("I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today") represents, any guesses?
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    Talisman Gate بـاب الطلــسم: Mithal Alusi to Face Charges Over Israel Visit

    Mithal Alusi to Face Charges Over Israel Visit

    Before anyone begins to fret let me just say that I think that all this will play out brilliantly for Mithal.

    Here’s what happened today: the Iraqi Parliament unanimously voted (…that included the Kurds, I believe) to lift parliamentary immunity from Mithal Alusi (liberal and secular Sunni MP for Baghdad, head of the Iraqi Nation Party) over his attendance at last week’s Counter-Terrorism Conference in Hezliyah, Israel.

    Parliament also voted to bar him from attending any more sessions, or from traveling outside the country. He is to face charges of treason that carry the death penalty.

    Iraq is still at a state of war with Israel.

    I can’t help but chuckle as I write this: Alusi is a bad-ass, and these folks, especially the Islamists, don’t realize that they are falling into his trap. The Minister of State for National Security, Abdel-Karim al-‘Anizi, made the mistake of calling Alusi an Israeli agent today, only to get Alusi to retort that al-‘Anizi is an Iranian spy; Alusi then proceeded to beat-up al-‘Anizi.

    This is classic political theatre as Iraqis get ready for elections. The so-called Iraq ‘analysts’ and ‘experts’ will have a hard time explaining when this is all over why such antics work to Alusi’s favor. Welcome to the rough-n-tumble politics of the New Iraq.

    A little over a week ago, I saw Alusi and he gave no indication that he’s about to pull off another one of maverick stunts. In retrospect, I now realize that he had something up his sleeve.

    Alusi has been going to conference in Herzliyah every year for the last four years. It was his decision to put last week’s visit into the political spotlight.

    I spoke to Alusi earlier today, and this is what he had to say: “America doesn’t have the confidence to deter Iran from building a nuclear weapon. The Americans are even preventing Israel from saving itself. Iraqis and Israelis are the two nations that will suffer the most from a radical Iranian leadership that can threaten us with nuclear weapons. Thus, Iraq and Israel must find a strategy to counter this threat. Time is running out.”

    “I am not honored to be in such company in the parliament. Half of them are working for the Iranians or the terrorists, and the other half is distracted by money. 90 percent of Saddam’s laws are still in effect, what has the parliament done to legislate new laws that give Iraqis their rights according to the new constitution? There are parliamentarians who are hiding in Iran because they will be arrested if they return to Iraq, but has parliament lifted their immunity and disbarred them? No. There are heads of parliamentary blocs who have arrest warrants out in their name for supporting and financing terrorism, but no one does anything.

    “There are tens of ex-ministers and officials who stole hundreds of millions of dollars from the Iraqi state, and parliament passes a law to give them amnesty because they are all from the same political parties. I have to serve the voters who elected me, but really I am uncomfortable being in the company of many of these parliamentarians.”

    Alusi added, “Nouri al-Maliki is a close friend; he is a patriot and good hearted man, but he is helpless. He is surrounded by rings of Iranian spies and corrupt bureaucrats. He is managed by them, rather than the other way round. Iraq needs new management.”

    As regards his elections message, “I want to tell the Iraqi voter: don’t vote for me if you don’t find me convincing. But use your vote as a protest against all these parties in parliament and government. Tell them that they are fired. Fired for failing at every level in managing this country.”

    “They are trying to distract the voter with issues such as Israel and Kirkuk. They are terrified by elections because they know that the Iraqi people will punish them for failure.”

    UPDATE:

    This is one of Alusi's more recent pronouncements on an Iraqi TV channel; this is why he's seen as controversial (English subtitles):



    UPDATE:

    It is interesting to look through the comments section on Al-Arabiya TV's web coverage on the Alusi story (...sorry, almost all of is in Arabic). One would think that it would be cram full of Arab nationalists (...Arabiya is Saudi-owned) denouncing Mithal as a Zionist spy; on the contrary, the response is predominately supportive. The catch line is that Alusi was punished for speaking out against Iran, not for visiting Israel.
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    McCain is not Bush.

    He would surely be able to work it out.

    Little that one may have seen him, he has his head on his shoulders and is appears very reliable. Very sane and a through gentleman. who the world will love!

    Though I think his VP is a disaster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    McCain is not Bush.

    He would surely be able to work it out.

    Little that one may have seen him, he has his head on his shoulders and is appears very reliable. Very sane and a through gentleman. who the world will love!

    Though I think his VP is a disaster.
    Sir,

    If you get a chance, check out the YouTube of Malusi.
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    I watched the youtube video,

    What I saw was a proud citizen of Iraq being gravely concern about the soverignty of his nation, foreign influence and mistrust of his neighbours (Iran, Saudi Arabia etc).

    However, that same scenario can be applied to any country that is doing much worse relatively to their neighbours. Say Iraq does prosper greatly and Syria does much much worse than today, than you will see a Syrian doing this plea, and begging Russia to help.

    That being said, I am glad that Iraqi will be Iraqi, not as Arabs or as Muslims. But as Iraqis. The concept of nationhood is even more stronger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxes View Post
    I watched the youtube video,

    What I saw was a proud citizen of Iraq being gravely concern about the soverignty of his nation, foreign influence and mistrust of his neighbours (Iran, Saudi Arabia etc).

    However, that same scenario can be applied to any country that is doing much worse relatively to their neighbours. Say Iraq does prosper greatly and Syria does much much worse than today, than you will see a Syrian doing this plea, and begging Russia to help.

    That being said, I am glad that Iraqi will be Iraqi, not as Arabs or as Muslims. But as Iraqis. The concept of nationhood is even more stronger.
    Iraq is such a destroyed country. Recommend Recommend Fisk's last book on Civilization and his chapters on the Iran/Iraq war. For most of you just coffee table reading I'm sure. For the "average" reader (like Sarah Palin) it is a great starting point.
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    Such a very condescending post.

    After learning of her outstanding accomplishments, I'm very impressed with Alaska's governor, and more to the point, Alaskans are, too. Given the fact that she seems very VERY far above average, are you sure you wouldn't like the opportunity to edit your post, doing away with the insult along with the gramatical errors? It would probably not seem nearly as incongruous to take a cheap shot at somebody that has performed with such marked superiority if your own post isn't itself a demonstration of mediocrity.
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    Hmm, yes, Mr Robert Fisk


    But – here we go. I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It's not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I'm not talking about the crazed "research" of David Icke's Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.

    I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive".

    Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

    But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter
    Never mind he could have researched the answers to his questions in 5 minutes. Never mind the quest for facts is supposed to be a journalists primary responsibility. Why should Mr Fisk ever let facts get in the way of a good propaganda piece. Not so much coffee table as something to put the coffee cup on.

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    The Middle East will be a completely new ball game I believe under a McCain administration, and a whole new diplomatic approach taken, interesting times............I agree with your comment Bluesman (nice to see you again by the way, hope your loved ones are safe and well)re "condescending" yes Palin is "new blood" but as I stated in another post I researched her a bit, not an expert by far on her rise so far but her tenacity reminds me of another lady politician, a certain shopkeepers daughetr who etched herself into history......... feel she is not being given a fair chance as yet, but I guess that is to be expected.
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    One has to see the Vice Presidential debate on Thursday.

    Unfortunately, while she was feisty and remarkable in the RNC, she seems to have lost the way and fire if one goes by the various one to one she has given to the channels.

    T igger, I think she cannot be compared to Thatcher.

    Thatcher was a grocer's daughter.
    Last edited by Ray; 27 Sep 08, at 07:38.


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