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Reply With QuoteSuch a complete lack of self-decency is appalling...Originally Posted by Stan187
^^ lol, you fail again,
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin
Such a complete lack of self-decency is appalling...
Last edited by Shipwreck; 23 Jul 08, at 22:43.
Looks like the shooter is not just trigger happy vermin, but also a miserable liar severely lacking in intestinal fortitude :
Polygraph confirms IDF officer didn't order soldier to shoot cuffed Palestinian
By Yuval Azoulay and Shahar Ilan,
Haaretz Correspondents
Last update - 18:56 23/07/2008
The Israel Defense Forces officer accused of ordering a soldier under his command to shoot a bound and blindfolded Palestinian detainee has passed a polygraph test verifying his testimony that he did not give the order to open fire.
Lieutenant colonel Omri Fruberg, commanding officer of IDF regiment 71, took the polygraph on Tuesday in a private institute at the recommendation of his lawyers.
The investigation began after the soldier, who was filmed shooting a Palestinian protester during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Na'alin, said he just been carrying out an order by Fruberg.
In the video, Fruberg is shown holding the arm of the Palestinian, Ashraf Abu-Rahama, 27, while a soldier under his command opens fire at close range. Abu-Rahama sustained light wounds to his foot in the incident.
Fruberg will undergo a second polygraph test under the auspices of the military police on Wednesday afternoon.
The incident in Na'alin was filmed by a Palestinian girl from a window of her home and sent to military authorities by the Israeli human rights group BT'selem in earlu July.
The soldier was released from police detention on Tuesday and sent back to join his unit after telling investigators that his regiment commander had ordered him to fire.
Last edited by Shipwreck; 23 Jul 08, at 22:43.
Which was what, deflection?
Egypt does worse, therefore that excuses Israel?
Incessantly pro-Israel people sink pretty low when they think their cherished country being better than the surrounding Arab countries is good enough.
HD Ready?
Spot On, HistoricalDavid.
Well, firstly it has been edited, you can download the original here where it was first posted and if you like download with keepvid it so you can examine it frame by frame using that feature in Nero.
Whoever is filming it takes several shots of the protest from several different angles, then cuts to the teenager in captivity from one angle then repositions to the next, which is the shot the Beeb uses.
When the shot is fired the camera operator jerks in fright then by the second to last frame before the cut starts to realign the camera. In the last 2 frames you can see the subject still standing and the officer helping him to the curb/sidewalk then a clean edit.
Why would the camera op stop recording when they'd got over their fright? They didn't, it was edited to remove all that humanitarian stuff about the Iraelis helping him hobbling to the curb.
Secondly, he was shot in the foot with a rubber bullet. Whoopee doo. You guys think thats a terrible travesty of human rights, you should have grown up with the cops in my home town.
Socialism is simply the Collective denial of responsibility.
No, it was a push to keep it on topic, since we were discussing this particular incident. As I've already said, just two comments ago.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
Terrible travesty or not, I would say that it is pretty unnecesarry considering that he was not much of an active threat anymore. And that's coming from me, and I'm about as pro-Israel as they come.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
Sounds like you are making a comment about yourself.Such a complete lack of self-decency is appalling...
Oh and btw, your article is wrong, LTCs command battalions, not regiments/brigades.
Last edited by Stan187; 24 Jul 08, at 10:45.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
the soldier who shot his foot was an ass-clown who deserves to be unceremoniously dumped after having his ass kicked hard. This is not however some indicator of brutal oppressive Israel.
Socialism is simply the Collective denial of responsibility.
I agree, in fact that is why I made a point of saying, keep it on topic and talk about this incident, because it does not reflect some daily trend as people seemed very ready to jump on and imply.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
Rubber bullets can kill. At the least it's quite some method of torture.
HD Ready?
Not with a shot to the foot, however. If you can find an instance where a shot to the foot with a rubber bullet has killed anyone, I'd like to read about it.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
So there is a truce now since June, it did not crumble after the rocket attacks 5 days after it was signed, and it hasn't crumbled after this, and there have been other tests to it. Both sides need this to work. There is no getting away from each other. These 2 nations will always be neighbors, so getting this to work is really the only option, it just a questions of time and suffering on both halves. And if this solder did this of his own will then throw the book at him but don't let him end this cease fire. To Quote A. B. Yehoshua, one of Israel’s most acclaimed novelists "Above all, we must assure that the armistice has its own dynamic. In a state of war, people get used to the status quo and cannot imagine anything else. But when tensions relax, the idea of taking up arms again becomes painful and unsupportable inasmuch as it means a return to the familiar and terrible experience of suffering." If the Officer ordered him to do it or if he did it on his own, he or they need to be punished for it, but don't let their, personal motives destroy a chance that this could last and bring some stability to this regain. This is just my option, and if you are interested in the article I quoted here’s the link -
Israel-Palestine Conflict: Beyond the Gaza Ceasefire - Nachrichten English-News - WELT ONLINE
Last edited by Achilles; 27 Jul 08, at 05:25.
I'd certainly say that Hamas needs this ceasefire quite a bit more, considering how far they were pushed militarily prior to it. The ceasefire will end, unfortunately, when they are ready to fight again, at a time and place of their choosing.
In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158
The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea
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