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    Quote Originally Posted by parihaka
    I disagree with "Another fallacy of Scott concerns America’s interest in Iraqi oil. America actually imports very little oil from the Middle East. Most of it comes domestically or from fields in Latin America. Europe on the other hand, depends heavily on the Middle East for oil. "
    As stated on this site and others France & Russia were actively involved in developing Iraqs oil reserves and were signing contracts with Sadams regime to do so. Part of the political motivation of this war was to not take control of the oil but to prevent France & Russia from doing so.
    As I believe the American administration or members thereof have stated, part of the US role in the future is to prevent the rise of any new superpowers. By limiting Europes' control of oil resources they are working towards this aim. Otherwise, good post!

    Bravo man! Right on da money!

    BTW what did you think about my article man "Real reasons why bush went to war"?


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    Nice to see you back from your solitary confinement, where you were banished for 72 hours!

    Much chastened I find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by parihaka
    As stated on this site and others France & Russia were actively involved in developing Iraqs oil reserves and were signing contracts with Sadams regime to do so. Part of the political motivation of this war was to not take control of the oil but to prevent France & Russia from doing so.
    Does that work the other way for you? i.e. France and Russia opposed the War so they would not lose control of Iraq's oil. .
    "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have."
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    As I read through this, the example of Turkey keeps screaming that an Islamic Republic may not be the way to go.

    To the Brigadier,

    Was things any worst or better for India at Independence?
    Chimo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray
    Nice to see you back from your solitary confinement, where you were banished for 72 hours!

    Much chastened I find!

    I know Ray! ....seemed to be a message! Stay in line...or else!

    P.S. And better start showing some Neocon lovin..... or else!

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    Lull,

    You are right.

    It is the garrot.

    Give it to them also for their views.

    They have sweetly taken all the cowshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers
    As I read through this, the example of Turkey keeps screaming that an Islamic Republic may not be the way to go.

    To the Brigadier,

    Was things any worst or better for India at Independence?
    Colonel,

    Hindusim is a way out religion.

    There is no rules or regulations. Pray if you wish, don't pray if you don't wish.

    No going to a Temple on Sunday or Firday.

    There are so many interpretations that even genuine HIndus don't know.

    With that type of a ethos everything is fair game.

    Hinduism has assimilated all religions excepting Islam. Not that they did not try. The Islam Empeoror Akhbar tried with his Din Ilahi where he wanted both religions assimilated. There were no takers from Islam. It is that Islam is beyond assimilation.

    Therefore, in India after Independence, we decided that we must be secular.

    We still are.

    That is why we don't accept that because Kashmir Valley is Molem majority, it must go to Pakistan.

    We are the second largest Moslem state in the world and we are proud of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parihaka
    Part of the political motivation of this war was to not take control of the oil but to prevent France & Russia from doing so.
    If they had helpeed to liberate the Iraqis, then the Iraqis would have let them keep their contracts. They thought the US was bluffing, and that they could keep their puppet, they bet on the wrong hand...
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999
    If they had helpeed to liberate the Iraqis, then the Iraqis would have let them keep their contracts. They thought the US was bluffing, and that they could keep their puppet, they bet on the wrong hand...


    Thats right Confed! Now you talking buddy!

    Now had you said this...like.....' up above'..............72 god-damn years ago, I'd had taken it easy on you!

    Good to know you'r growin up!

    Right on da money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lulldapull
    Good to know you'r growin up!

    Right on da money!
    I say things like that all the time.
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    We have veered off topic.

    If US does withdraw now, what happens?

    It is to me not in anyone's interest, except Iran and the Islamists.

    US would then create the very Frankenstein that it wanted to bring down.

    Saddam kicked the Islamists in their butt and Iraq was the only haven of secularists in Islamist Arabia (including Wahabis deviates) and that has gone. Sistani will win and Iran will become more pwoerful.

    An intersting situation.

    Could be a a deep plot to have Sunnis fight Shias? That would be a real political and strategic coup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Does that work the other way for you? i.e. France and Russia opposed the War so they would not lose control of Iraq's oil. .
    yes

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