Thread: Sleeping I.D.F. Soldier Left Behind After Raid

Originally Posted by entropy

Are there hookers in Pally?
And if there are, are they willing to serve Israeli soldiers?

There are hookers everywhere. This is especially true anywhere the local economy has been destroyed. This leaves some with no other way to make money but the oldest profession.

Originally Posted by entropy

Are there hookers in Pally?
And if there are, are they willing to serve Israeli soldiers?

If there are, probably not many. Not only is it against the moral codes of the local society, there are two other problems:

1. The women would present a significant security risk to the soldier (not the army, the soldier itself, maybe the woman is out to kill him)

2. Especially in Gaza, but in the West Bank too, she'd likely be killed if found out by local militants or their informants (which is A LOT of people when put together)

Originally Posted by Stan187

If there are, probably not many. Not only is it against the moral codes of the local society, there are two other problems:

1. The women would present a significant security risk to the soldier (not the army, the soldier itself, maybe the woman is out to kill him)

Sounds good but usually doesn't happen that way. Soldiers don't think about that aspect and lets face it if a "service " girl did murder a soldier there would be hell to pay later on.

2. Especially in Gaza, but in the West Bank too, she'd likely be killed if found out by local militants or their informants (which is A LOT of people when put together)

I would say the opposite is true. She would most likely be working as a agent. You wouldn't believe what a young soldier (or Marine, don't want to be accused of picking on soldiers) will tell a prostitute.

Or so I've heard, No firsthand knowledge

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

I would say the opposite is true. She would most likely be working as a agent. You wouldn't believe what a young soldier (or Marine, don't want to be accused of picking on soldiers) will tell a prostitute.

If they speak the same language, that is.

Originally Posted by Stan187

If they speak the same language, that is.

Actually they will blab more if they think the "young lady" doesn't understand them.

Call it a little verbal stress relief, with the excuse "Doesn't matter what I said, she didn't understand me anyway."

I've seen it lots of times in foreign countries. And that is normally the excuse I hear.

But how do you know if she speaks the language. Or if she is anything other than a "Bush Bunny" if there are listening devices where you are doing the deed?

Actually, it happened many times in Chechnya, that hookers documented the position of Russian troops, or just killed the client soldiers.

Originally Posted by Gun Grape

Actually they will blab more if they think the "young lady" doesn't understand them.

Call it a little verbal stress relief, with the excuse "Doesn't matter what I said, she didn't understand me anyway."

I've seen it lots of times in foreign countries. And that is normally the excuse I hear.

But how do you know if she speaks the language. Or if she is anything other than a "Bush Bunny" if there are listening devices where you are doing the deed?

Interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way.

Originally Posted by entropy

Actually, it happened many times in Chechnya, that hookers documented the position of Russian troops, or just killed the client soldiers.

Many Russian conscripts also have quite a business sense when it comes to selling their weapons to the enemy in exchange for heroin. Not to mention the hazing and what not. Not the most disciplined bunch, at least not your average motor-rifleman. The Russian military needs reform badly.

Originally Posted by Stan187

Many Russian conscripts also have quite a business sense when it comes to selling their weapons to the enemy in exchange for heroin. Not to mention the hazing and what not. Not the most disciplined bunch, at least not your average motor-rifleman. The Russian military needs reform badly.

Their weapons are not sold, but the ammo is too often sold to the enemy for various pleasure items.
And yes, most people who go into the army (infantry in particular) are often poor and/or lowlifes, therefore undisciplined. Everyone who can dodges the draft. The hazing, and poor leadership (army is comparable to prison qua living conditions) are what makes me dodging the draft as well. Ashaming to say, but I prefer to stay alive than being killed by a "grandfather" (draftee higher in rank who has passed the hazing) in dubious circumstances.
The army needs a military police, reforms, and machine gunnings here and there.

Originally Posted by entropy

Their weapons are not sold, but the ammo is too often sold to the enemy for various pleasure items. Reminds me of the movie Blokpost
And yes, most people who go into the army (infantry in particular) are often poor and/or lowlifes, therefore undisciplined. Everyone who can dodges the draft. The hazing, and poor leadership (army is comparable to prison qua living conditions) are what makes me dodging the draft as well. Ashaming to say, but I prefer to stay alive than being killed by a "grandfather" (draftee higher in rank who has passed the hazing) in dubious circumstances.
The army needs a military police, reforms, and machine gunnings here and there.

Officers and NCOs need to be trained well and paid well. Maybe then, they'd be less likely to take their frustrations out on their underlings. To tell you the truth, I don't really know what the main reason for hazing is, I just know a myriad, but not what is considered the MAIN.

Selling your ammo to the enemy, well that makes a S*it load of sense, may as well just give the guy the gun and tell him to blow your brains out, which could take a while, as obvioulsy these idiots don`t have any

Originally Posted by Stan187

Officers and NCOs need to be trained well and paid well. Maybe then, they'd be less likely to take their frustrations out on their underlings. To tell you the truth, I don't really know what the main reason for hazing is, I just know a myriad, but not what is considered the MAIN.

Ah, here the thread is.
The main reason for hazing according to stories is that in the mid-60s, the army reforms shortened down the conscription period from 3 to two years. Naturally, the conscripts who were still in draft according to the old standards forced the "lucky ones" to do all kinds of chores for them, justifying it with the fact that the new ones have it easy with their 2 years of duty and can that some extra work can't hurt them. Naturally, this came with the necessary physical violence, that has always been present in the Russian army in some form.
The rest is psychological. The logic of "it was done to me so I will do it to you" prevailed, and "dedovshina" was born.
The new army reforms of 2007 have shortened down the draft length from 2 to 1.5 years. I wonder how that will effect the hazing.

Also, since the Sychov incident, when a young conscript was so badly abused that his genital organs and legs had to be amputated, some of the divisions have adapted unofficial anti-hazing methods, eg that than officer will monitor the lunchtime so that everyone gets food, and that weaker conscripts get additional hand-to-hand combat training so that they can defend themselfes.
This is not the case in most of the parts of the armed forces, so the only real solution that I see for the hazing problem are the Putinoids. These people don't feel the same hatred towards each other as the semi-criminal conscripts in today's army do, as they are a monolithic block, and they will not use hazing because they'll do their duty out of their sense for duty.


Oh yes and you have seen Blokpost? Surprises me.

Originally Posted by entropy

Ah, here the thread is.
The main reason for hazing according to stories is that in the mid-60s, the army reforms shortened down the conscription period from 3 to two years. Naturally, the conscripts who were still in draft according to the old standards forced the "lucky ones" to do all kinds of chores for them, justifying it with the fact that the new ones have it easy with their 2 years of duty and can that some extra work can't hurt them. Naturally, this came with the necessary physical violence, that has always been present in the Russian army in some form.
The rest is psychological. The logic of "it was done to me so I will do it to you" prevailed, and "dedovshina" was born.
The new army reforms of 2007 have shortened down the draft length from 2 to 1.5 years. I wonder how that will effect the hazing.

Also, since the Sychov incident, when a young conscript was so badly abused that his genital organs and legs had to be amputated, some of the divisions have adapted unofficial anti-hazing methods, eg that than officer will monitor the lunchtime so that everyone gets food, and that weaker conscripts get additional hand-to-hand combat training so that they can defend themselfes.
This is not the case in most of the parts of the armed forces, so the only real solution that I see for the hazing problem are the Putinoids. These people don't feel the same hatred towards each other as the semi-criminal conscripts in today's army do, as they are a monolithic block, and they will not use hazing because they'll do their duty out of their sense for duty.


Oh yes and you have seen Blokpost? Surprises me.

Additional hand to hand training for the weaker conscripts seems like a good idea. But what if it is not just another soldier, and instead a superior, starshina or some other NCO/Officer. I dunno what's worse, officers abusing their troops, or the troops who strike their superiors.

Good point about the Putinoids, I hadn't really thought of that, but it is an interesting idea.

Yeah I've seen Blokpost, Deviataya Rota, all that stuff. I heard they are making a movie about that Pskov Desantnik company that got ambushed in Chechnya. I'd be excited about that. Particularly if it's more realistic and less Moscowood (get it?) than Deviataya Rote.