Thread: Is Iraq Another Vietnam? Actually, It May Become Worse

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I didn't want to post anything on your post, but then I think it is worth explaining how the 'rest of us' think. You may still go your path, but maybe it will help.

smilingassassin
Please elaborate on this one...

No quibbles on that. But then like the Human Rights organisations (US and UK funded) who only are after govt forces. With such forces working 'against the forces of evil' what can we do against the terrorists and the Human Rights organisations?

Enough has been said on that. It's a can of worms.

Bible bashing, sorry where do you see that?

I see it in the fact that the whole War has veered around to Islam being an religioj of hate and destruction. That unfortunate remark about the US embarking on a Crusade, gave a handle to the Islamists and they have very neatly converted it to their way of looking at the situation.
It may not be in your part of the world, but it certainly is in the non Anglo Saxon areas. It has put the Christians in such non Anglo Saxon areas in a tight situation. All this rhetoric of fighting the 'forces of evil' or 'forces of darkness' is juvenile and for comic books. Leave such bunk to Spiderman and Superman.
In modern day, lets be mature and not borrow comic book language. Just say, "I am going in to remove Saddam Hussein and I have no time to listen to you guys because I feel it is in my national interest. My nation comes before all you funny joes!".
It is as simple as that, rather than being comic. As comic as Lull.
With that type of a statement, all this petty quibbling of morality etc would vanish.

Tell that one to the terrorists...

Again tell that to the terrorists, and again how does western religion come into the discussion?

Don't ask me. Ask the Moslems. After that remark that it is a Crusade, their hackles are up. God forbid that they produce a Salladin or Sallah ud din.

Also please quit hallucinating. Christianity is not a 'Western' Religion. It is as Asiatic religion. The knowledge and spiritual awkening of the orient is very powerful. West? You make me laugh! Again it shows your arrogance. Not only it is Christianity Asian, it is Semitic, old boy! As Sematic as Judaism and Islam! Funny, what?

I agree but I fail to see how this is relevent to whats going on in Iraq. At any rate if the Americans are so un-compassionate why don't they just nuke the place and leave? I don't buy it...

Try nuking. The whole world will be against you. In fact, they will nuke you too and no one will fell to bad! Stop talking nonsense and make folks more hostile that there are folks who are just bullies and flexing their muscles. Youa re a Canadian so don't talk big.

You are just like the little fellow who say "wait till my big brother comes and bashes your noggin".

Stop being childish or are you an ambulance chaser lawyer?

Originally Posted by Ray

I see it in the fact that the whole War has veered around to Islam being an religioj of hate and destruction. That unfortunate remark about the US embarking on a Crusade, gave a handle to the Islamists and they have very neatly converted it to their way of looking at the situation.

Sorry I as a christian don't by the "its a crusade" arguement, just as I don't buy the "all muslims are bad argument.

Originally Posted by Ray

It may not be in your part of the world, but it certainly is in the non Anglo Saxon areas. It has put the Christians in such non Anglo Saxon areas in a tight situation. All this rhetoric of fighting the 'forces of evil' or 'forces of darkness' is juvenile and for comic books. Leave such bunk to Spiderman and Superman.

So beheading isn't evil then?, again another comment you are dwelling on "Good vs. Evil" You equate it to comic books so there really isn't much point in explaining to you whats good and evil or more accurately right and wrong.

Originally Posted by Ray

In modern day, lets be mature and not borrow comic book language. Just say, "I am going in to remove Saddam Hussein and I have no time to listen to you guys because I feel it is in my national interest. My nation comes before all you funny joes!".
It is as simple as that, rather than being comic. As comic as Lull.
With that type of a statement, all this petty quibbling of morality etc would vanish.

You obviously were not paying attention, because that statement was made over and over and over again, you just can't seem to get past the pre-conception that America is arrogant, equal to accusing someone of crying wolf on the very first yell.

Originally Posted by Ray

Don't ask me. Ask the Moslems. After that remark that it is a Crusade, their hackles are up. God forbid that they produce a Salladin or Sallah ud din.

Originally Posted by Ray

Also please quit hallucinating. Christianity is not a 'Western' Religion. It is as Asiatic religion. The knowledge and spiritual awkening of the orient is very powerful. West? You make me laugh! Again it shows your arrogance. Not only it is Christianity Asian, it is Semitic, old boy! As Sematic as Judaism and Islam! Funny, what?

I speak for Christianity in my neck of the woods, OBL is arrogant enough to lump in all Christains, save your shock and horror for his ignorance on the religion.
Arrogance, I wondered how far into the post I could wait untill you resorted to personal attacks.

Originally Posted by Ray

Try nuking. The whole world will be against you. In fact, they will nuke you too and no one will fell to bad! Stop talking nonsense and make folks more hostile that there are folks who are just bullies and flexing their muscles.

Tell that to Iran, if they follow lull's advice and do a live test in the U.S. they will recieve the same treatment. I can talk tough too, dosn't mean its reality though.

Originally Posted by Ray

Youa re a Canadian so don't talk big.

You are just like the little fellow who say "wait till my big brother comes and bashes your noggin".

Please stop baiting, you have the right to state your opinion. Just because I'm Canadian dosn't mean I do not have the right to say what I want. Stop talking like you run the show, because you don't...

I'll say what I please, within the rules of these forums, and if you don't like it thats just too damn bad....

Originally Posted by Ray

Stop being childish or are you an ambulance chaser lawyer?

Just when I though you were going to be civilized you resort to the usual personal attacks.....

Originally Posted by smilingassassin

Tell that to Iran, if they follow lull's advice and do a live test in the U.S. they will recieve the same treatment. I can talk tough too, dosn't mean its reality though.

No nation will dare to that openly. Why don't you realise that a terrorist with a suitcase nuke could attack any US city? Which country will the US blame, where will the retaliatory strikes go?
The Iranians are not bumb either. They are playing their cards well in Iraq, because a stable US backed Iraq in their backyard does make them uncomfortable.
The mullahs will pour all the jihadis they can muster in to Iraq. Only the most tenacious will survive.

Smiling,

Not that it matters, but I was brought up on the Bible. It is not your sole prerogative.

I have also read the English version of the Koran.

They are good books in their own way.

However, I find all this Pollyanna sentiments when spouted by politicians or in support in politics as utter sham and playing to the gallery and the gullible. I am reminded of the stuff ' A devil can cite scriptures for his purpose'. This applies to all politicians of all hues, of all countries, profession all religions.

Beheading is a crime. But all this 'forces of evil' and 'forces of darkness' is of comic book class. It is pure and simple murder; and murder is a cognisable and non bailable offence in most countries. Instead of using moral claptrap, they should be brought to book by LAW and the maximum punishment applied. One doesn't have to justify a crackdown on criminals with words like 'sin' or 'evil' and such bogus moral sentiments. I personally feel that those who have no grounds, use religion to justify because religion is the last word to end an argument. Ask that fool Osama who has fooled so many good Moslems. A damn good tool, however, especially for all wily politicians.

Not in context with beheading, this 'Good vs Evil' pizzazz is as per the mentality of the one stating. What is "good" to you, may be "evil" to the Moslem. Now, who is correct? Ever thought of that? If you haven't, then that is arrogance par excellence. After all, one can't dismiss Moslems as sub humans, or can they? I don't, you may.

What arrogance can you state I attribute to the US? I don't chase the Holy Grail. It made no difference to the US when they went into Iraq as to who thought they were arrogant or not. It makes no difference now, too.

In my opinion and I am entitled to it, I find the justification to go into Iraq a wee bit melodramatic. Not so much from Bush, but Blair. It has been proved that it was a damp squib.

Therefore, all I said was that it was adequate to say that the US WILL (WILL) enforce a regime change. Period; and that is what the US wanted to do and did. More direct. More truthful. And more acceptable rather than wasting time justifying by clutching at straws or as I said 'Bible thumping' of good vs evil etc etc!

I don't speak for Christianity in my neck of the woods, because I don't beleive in religion and all these honey filled images of sin, good, evil. It is BS since it is not practiced. So what is the idea except for solace? Mouthing pleasant and good sentiments and plunging a knife at the same time is all claptrap to me. And, that is not patented by the US alone. It is world wide.

Osama is not arrogant.

He is a brain damaged or even a brain dead punk. One requires a brain to be arrogant. It is hightime he is hung and quartered.

I was not doing a personal attack nor baiting. I was just pointing it out that it would be better that one speak from the Canadian point of view and not as a lawyer for the US. They are BIG and POWERFUL enough to handle their issues without help from minor sidekicks. They have gone into Iraq without the help of many. I don't know how much you have helped them, apart from your posts on this site.

I believe one could volunteer to go to Iraq if one is very charged up or so I learn from some of the posts that that foreigners can join up too.

I find no reason why you should be aggrieved.

It sure would help if one knows the Candian point of view.

As far as my being civilised, my civilisation is much older than yours. Thank you. I sure would be happy if you educated yourself that India is not a land of elephants, tigers, snake charmers and little nude cannibals running wild.

There is a thread somewhere here to show that Indians are the leading 'winners' in the US, both in the financial and education amongst Asiatic guys there.

Imagine little nude cannibals running wild riding on tigers doing so well in a 'civilised' nation!

BTW, without resorting to the dictionary meaning, may I know you concept of being 'civilised'?

No offence meant. Just clearing the fog. I say what I say without kowtowing to the US or anyone. I care for the US and that is why I state what 'others' are thinking. Unless one knows whats on the othre side of the fence, one cannot make up its mind of things going on on the other side of the fence, even if it is greener on one's own side. It is for the US to decided its own future. You, I or even the average American citizen has no say. The US Admin decides the same, as the Admins and Mods decide here.

Too bad, isn't it?