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    Israel can't commit to some of U.S. demands

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    PMO: Israel can't commit to some of U.S. demands

    By Avi Issacharoff and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents

    A United States timeline for bolstering Israeli-Palestinian talks met its first resistance on Friday when Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office said it could not commit to some of the demands, citing security concerns.

    The officials raised concerns Israel was being asked to ease restrictions on Palestinian movements without assurances that Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has completed his own commitments on security.

    While Israel appeared prepared to lift restrictions in the West Bank starting in mid-May, it has serious reservations about other demands, including one that would allow Palestinian bus convoys to travel between Gaza and the West Bank by July 1, officials said.

    "Some of the ideas Israel is already implementing, others are already well advanced, and there are some that Israel will not be able to address in the present because of security concerns," an official in Olmert's office said.

    Israeli resistance to elements of the U.S. plan followed an earlier rift between the close allies over Washington's decision to hold limited contacts with non-Hamas ministers in a Palestinian unity government

    Senior officials had feared a confrontation with Washington over the document of benchmarks it presented to Israel and the PA setting a detailed timetable for measures each side must implement.

    The document sets a schedule for removing roadblocks and opening passages in the territories and upgrading the Palestinian forces loyal to Abbas. Israel is also urged to approve requests for weapons, munitions and equipment required by defense forces loyal to Abbas.

    U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is to arrive on May 15 to discuss implementing the plan.

    Officials in the defense establishment object to several issues in the document, especially the demand to expand the operation of the passages in the Gaza Strip and the removal of many roadblocks in the West Bank.

    These officials believe that the benchmarks involve security risks.

    Israel has not responded officially to the document and an inter-ministerial discussion on it was postponed on Thursday.

    Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat confirmed on Friday that they received the document.

    Erekat said the Palestinians welcome the document and would study it
    carefully.

    The Prime Minister's Bureau is still waiting for the positions of the defense establishment, Foreign Ministry and Shin Bet vis-a-vis on the plan.

    The document, which Haaretz has obtained, sets a rigid timetable for implementing measures on either side.

    The document was written by the U.S. security coordinator, Major General Keith Dayton, U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dick Jones and U.S. Consul-General in Jerusalem Jacob Walles.

    It was sent to Washington, where it was approved by Secretary of State Rice before it was presented to Israel and the PA. However, both Israel and the PA's official answer to the document is still pending.

    Palestinian sources told Haaretz that the PA has accepted the document, but it fears that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert will sabotage the turning of it into an agreement due to his precarious political situation.

    If both sides accept the document it will become a binding agreement.

    Rice was scheduled to arrive in mid-May to obtain both sides' approval of the document, but her visit may be postponed in view of the political situation in Israel.

    The document demands, among other things, that Israel approve and support in an "immediate and ongoing" manner the requests of U.S. security coordinator Dayton for the provision of required armaments, ammunition and equipment for security forces under the control of and reporting to the PA chairman in the West Bank and Gaza.

    Each clause is accompanied by a precise timetable for implementation. For example, Israel and the PA are required to establish, no later than July 1, 2007, a bus convoy service operating five days a week between the Erez checkpoint at the entrance to the Gaza Strip and the Tarqumiya roadblock at the entrance to Hebron for passengers from Gaza and the West Bank.

    Israel is required to remove specific roadblocks and other traffic and movement restrictions in the West Bank at specified dates. For example, Israel must remove restrictions and provide access no later than June 1, 2007 in the Bethlehem 1 and 2 clusters, in the Hebron clusters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8, in Nablus clusters 1, 2, 3 and 4 and in the Tubas 1 cluster.

    It must remove roadblocks in the Nablus area and specifically the ones in Beit Iba, Hawara, Awarta, Shavei Shmoron and Beit Foriq no later than June 15.

    However, the timetable in the document is not entirely relevant as the measures in it were scheduled to begin on May 1.

    Rice agreed on formulating the document during her last visit in Israel and the PA. The Palestinians received the document last Wednesday, April 25. Senior Palestinian sources told Haaretz that the PA accepts its principles, although the PA has not given Washington an official answer yet.

    The PA and mainly its defense forces and national security adviser Mohammed Dahlan are required to take a series of clear steps, limited by a timetable.

    Dahlan is required to develop a plan against Qassam rockets with the support of Abbas no later than June 21, 2007. The president must deploy these forces no later than that date.

    The Palestinian forces are required to act to prevent arms smuggling in the Rafah area in coordination with Israel.

    Abbas and Dahlan must subject the defense forces to the PA chairman by June 15.

    Both Israel and the Palestinians are required to reestablish the coordination and liaison headquarters in the West Bank.

    Meanwhile, Israel is discussing with the European Union the extension of the European observers' mandate at the Rafah passage. The posting of observers enabled Israel's withdrawal from the Philadelphi route and the opening of the passage between Gaza and Egypt.

    PMO: Israel can't commit to some of U.S. demands - Haaretz - Israel News
    Rather tricky demands.

    Unless there is security safeguards, it is obvious that the Israelis will baulk at the prospect of signing the dotted line.

    Maybe some Israeli or a Palestinian poster could give a more detailed analysis as to what could be the issues that require to be ironed out and if it is not done what could be the actual repercussions.


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    Formulation

    This document was formulated by three very senior U.S. diplomats who SHOULD understand the issues relating to security and the political climate in which they're considered. Think about it- U.S. Security Coordinator, Ambassador to Israel, and counsel-general of Jerusalem. My suspicion is that this is not an ill-considered plan.

    Arming the P.A. security forces now will be nothing compared to arming a Palestinian Army if there's ever a sovereign Palestine. Israel had better learn how to manage it's fears here as the goal should be two states living side-by-side. That so, expect a Palestinian Army down the road- with considerably more than small arms.

    Olmert, under present circumstances, may not be the best partner for this project. The bashing that he's currently receiving may befuddle him into an indecisive and torporous stupor. Perhaps GWB ought to join the demonstrators.
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    Yes, GWB and all Americans should join the protest.

    At least it will give them a chance to feel how exhilarating it is to protest and yet know that none would care, least of all the nation being protested against!

    Burn a few flags, it being immaterial as to whose it is since the smell of burning cloth is so stimualting.

    Throw in a few tires as a substitute for snorting.

    And a few stones thrown at shop glass show windows is just ideal for hand grenade throwing practice!

    A jolly thrilling circus if nothing else!
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    Protest Skills- Ray Reply

    Brigadier,

    In all honesty, Americans have sorta lost our skills. All the hippie, radical leftist from the sixties have been discredited and own a mortgage, three cars (one an SUV) and 2.1 children approaching college tuition.

    Our rioting skills have sadly fallen into disrepair. The last decent hullaballoo that I can remember were the WTO riots in Seattle, some years back.

    "...to protest and yet know that none would care, least of all the nation being protested against!"

    I dunno here. If I'm the prevailing Israeli government and GWB, or any other American president shows up at a protest against my government, I'm definitely taking notice. In this case, it might nearly be the same. This proposal been vetted by the U.S. Dept. of State and Ms. Rice will be in Israel on May 15 to discuss implementation. Hmmm....

    She's sharp. Israel had better have their arguments firmly grounded. So should the Palestinians. They've yet to comment on the proposal. We need movement here and the U.S. has done nothing to undercut the Israeli government. Little is lost by giving Abbas the means to marginalize the Hamas influence.

    Olmert's paralysis and his government's possible ineffectuality is no cause to dismiss the broader importance to which this proposal may lead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-2 View Post
    Arming the P.A. security forces now will be nothing compared to arming a Palestinian Army if there's ever a sovereign Palestine.
    I'm actually writing part of my undergraduate thesis on applying a type of sovereignty with an asterisk to the Palestinian territories!
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    From a soldier's standpoint I feel strongly that Israel should not give too much of the West Bank back at its most narrow areas. As I am a Druze I have no connection to biblical lands and/or the Jerusalem question. But giving back East Jerusalem from a military standpoint is a terrible idea. Mortars would replace the now obsolete suicide bomber and on a crowded night it could cause havoc in a West Jerusalem on a Satuday night.

    The most fertile areas of Israel are the north and the West Bank, if you look at a topographical map of Israel you quickly see that a bulk of Israel is the desert of the negev. I think land swapping should be taken into account where Israel gets to keep some parts of the West Bank and cedes some of the Negev in return.
    I'd say a formula of 1.75 acres of Desert land for every .9 acres of Fertile land in the west Bank.

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    "Mortars would replace the now obsolete suicide bomber and on a crowded night it could cause havoc in a West Jerusalem on a Satuday night."

    Your point is well-taken. Still, let's assume that the Palestinian government gets the opportunity to mortar West Jerusalem on a Saturday night ONCE before paying the consequences of that action. As a sovereign nation (I'm assuming) they'd incur the same liability for such actions as Lebanon does for the rocketing of POG- a justified war by Israel upon them.

    That's probably not a good idea for a new palestinian state. Cradle to grave in the blink of an eye.
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    Lebanon is also a sovereign nation.

    It remained moribund while the Hezbollah went on a rampage.

    Could it not be that the Hamas decides to take matters into its hand, irrespective of what govt is in power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiger View Post
    Lebanon is also a sovereign nation.

    It remained moribund while the Hezbollah went on a rampage.

    Could it not be that the Hamas decides to take matters into its hand, irrespective of what govt is in power?
    It is a very distinct possibility, though there is more parity between Hamas and its opponents, so they would probably challenge each other in civil war. The Lebanese Army cannot even begin to challenge Hizballah.
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    Israel won't commit because they are puppets of the Zionist US government! Ummmmm...
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    Confed, stop revealing the roundabout plan of the ZOG machine
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