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    Henry A. Kissinger: It's time to start talking

    It's time to start talking

    Henry A. Kissinger Tribune Media Services
    Published: February 25, 2007

    The time has come to begin preparing for an international conference to define the political outcome of the Iraq war. Whatever happens, a diplomatic phase is necessary.

    Iraq will have to rejoin the international community in some manner. Its internal tensions will continue to tempt outside intervention, and these cannot be resisted effectively in the absence of some agreed principles. The conflicting interests of various countries must be restrained by a combination of a balance of power and an agreed legitimacy to provide an international sanction.


    A call for an international conference would be an important step in dealing with a striking anomaly of contemporary international politics. America is widely condemned for its conduct of the Iraq war, while no country has been prepared to participate in a serious exploration of the political implications of foreseeable outcomes.


    Yet none will remain impervious. If America fails to achieve its immediate objectives — if terrorist camps or terrorist regimes emerge on the soil of Iraq, backed by its huge oil resources — no county with a significant Muslim population will be able to escape the consequences: not India, with the second largest Muslim population in the world; not Indonesia, with the largest; not Turkey, already contending with incursions from the Kurdish portion of Iraq; not Malaysia, Pakistan or any of the countries of Western Europe; not Russia, with its Muslim south; nor, in the end, China.

    If the Iraq war culminates in a nuclear Iran (as an indirect consequence) and an Islamic fundamentalism that can claim to have ejected Russia from Afghanistan and America from Iraq, a period of extreme turbulence verging on chaos is unavoidable, and it will not be confined to the Middle East. A threat to global oil supplies would have a shattering impact on the world economy, especially the economies of the industrialized countries.

    Yet none of the potential victims of these trends has been required to contribute even ideas, much less been enlisted in the quest for a political solution.

    Instead, what is most frequently debated is whether diplomacy should be invoked at all. The administration, following one strain of American attitudes towards diplomacy, has implied that it is not yet ready to negotiate over Iraq — especially not with Iran and Syria, which are accused of fomenting the conflict and stirring up the violence.

    From the beginning of the controversy in 2002 about whether to use force against Iraq and afterwards, I have supported the decision to overthrow Saddam, but I have also argued that no outcome in the middle of the Arab world could rest on imposition by military force alone. Diplomacy should always have been treated as an integral part of Iraq strategy.


    The contemporary debate over ending the Iraq war has ascribed an almost mythic quality to the desirability of bilateral negotiations with Syria and Iran as the key to an Iraqi settlement.

    But this has not altered the long-term power relationships. Wise leaders on all sides are needed to establish an international order that provides security to all participants and respect to all religions. But only a few of the objectives of the United States, Syria and Iran can be fulfilled via bilateral negotiations.

    Syria's role in Iraq, for better or worse, is limited. The problem of Iran's nuclear ambitions cannot be solved, except in the context of the multilateral framework that already exists or some alternative that involves the other nuclear powers.

    Any agenda for a purely bilateral negotiation over Iraq excluding the Sunnis will appear in the Sunni world as a potential American-Iranian condominium or the beginning of American abandonment. It may thus trigger a rush to acquiesce in Iranian hegemony.

    The best impetus to a serious diplomacy over Iraq is by way of the international conference.

    The political framework needs to be created by countries with a stake in the outcome. These would include the permanent members of the Security Council; Iraq's neighbors; key Islamic countries like India, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia; and major oil consumers like Germany and Japan.

    These countries have many conflicting interests, but should have a common concern in preventing jihadist fanaticism from driving the world towards an ever-widening conflict.

    The international conference should be the occasion, as well, to go beyond the warring factions in Iraq to moving toward a stable energy supply. It would be the best framework for a transition from American military occupation. Paradoxically, it may also prove the best framework for bilateral discussions with Syria and Iran.

    American military policy in Iraq must be related to such a diplomatic strategy. Unilateral withdrawal on fixed timetables, unrelated to local conditions, is incompatible with the diplomacy described here.

    The willingness of other countries to participate in such an effort depends importantly on their assessment of the balance of power in the Middle East after the end of the war in Iraq. A successful diplomacy requires that American power remain relevant and available in support of a coherent regional policy.

    After the Thirty Years' War, the nations of Europe organized an international conference to set rules for ending the war, after the continent had been left prostrate and exhausted.

    The world now has a comparable opportunity today. Will it seize it while it still has a margin of decision, or must it wait until exhaustion and despair leave no alternative?

    Henry A. Kissinger heads the consulting firm Kissinger & Associates. This article was distributed by Tribune Media Services.

    It's time to start talking - International Herald Tribune
    Here is what the wily fox Kissinger has to say onIraq.

    Admirers of the former secretary of state argue that he transformed world politics in the 1970s through the policies of detente with the Soviet Union and rapprochement with the People's Republic of China (PRC). On the other hand, detractors charge that he violated international law and had little regard for the wide-scale suffering his policies engendered among millions of people in the Third World.

    Here he does not speak with a forked tongue.

    He gives good advice.

    Anyone ready?

    That is the question!


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    The political framework needs to be created by countries with a stake in the outcome. These would include the permanent members of the Security Council; Iraq's neighbors; key Islamic countries like India, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia; and major oil consumers like Germany and Japan.
    god damnit, india is secular.

    secularism is haraam in islam and islamic country cannot be secular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey View Post
    god damnit, india is secular.

    secularism is haraam in islam and islamic country cannot be secular.

    hehe obvious Joey, ... an Islamic nation cannot be secular no more than a Christian nation can be secular

    Though, I should find is hilarious that Dr. Kissinger ascribes India as a Islamic nation of all thing ...
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    Henry Kissinger is a prick, a currupt one at that!

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    Why do the naysayers always seem to be behind the curve? Things in Iraq have been going quite well ever since Bush announced the Surge.

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    dalem,

    the whole point behind the surge is to give the iraqi government time and space to enact a political solution that brings about sectarian reconciliation. have we seen the iraqi government do this- any sign whatsoever?

    in the short-term we have seen a tampdown in the amount of violence. but middle-term (not to say the long-term)...? well...the military is quite right to be conservative and cautious in its assessment of how well the surge is working.
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    Astralis,

    From which source do you obtain this information?

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    Pragnosis,

    To which part of astralis's post do you seek sources on?

    If it's in regards to the 'overall' short term reduction of violence across the nation as a whole. For the fact that I'm currently on the ground in Iraq and have been for quite sometime, I can verify that statement but that statement can't be verified to each different MND area independently. Baghdad violence has decreased, though it still occurs as the surge continues to ramp up and unfold. Baghdad made up a large % of the violence statistically but contributes less to those stats recently.

    There are two things that come to mind in regards to what the Iraqi government has done to end the violence. By no means is this all

    -they dropped protection of the militia's such as Al Sadr's
    -they have increased troop presence in Baghdad as with greater responsibility and actions taken by both the Army, Iraqi Highway patrol, and IP's as a whole.

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    TheChosenOne,

    In your opinion (although it is claimed by some that the latest surge of troops by the Bush Administration is helping to decrease the violence) do you believe that, with the ever increasing sectarian voilence, this will turn into a full blown civil war as so many reports suggest?

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    My boss just got back from his fifth trip to B-dad, and he says it has never been quieter.
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    Early progress in Baghdad crackdown - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

    Pragnosis,

    Here is more proof that things are indeed at the current time improving in Baghdad. I'm still skeptical to a point on how long this could last. Things could continue to improve or get worse, only time will tell. Only 2 of 5 Brigades are in place from our end, plus the Iraqi's have three yet to provide. So if it's already decreased this amount, with 20,000+ troops yet to go into the capital, what do you think is going to happen?

    BTW, I'll be the first to say that it is a civil war over here in certain parts of the country.
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    But I'm going to comment now on Kissinger.

    Talks through diplomacy are a must with all countries. I just think that Iran is going to try to gain something from the talks when they shouldn't because of their involvement with the Iraq conflict. Same goes with Syria. I'm just stating the obvious but we've got to get them to cooperate without them gaining something from the bargaining table. Being a statesmen I am not, I think this is going to be very trickyyyyy.

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    Well, if you don't want anybody to gain anything at the bargaining table, then why would anybody ever want to bargain with you?

    It's a contradiction in terms to say, "diplomacy's a must, but we can't let anyone else get anything." You can't do serious diplomacy unless you're willing make some concessions.

    Kissinger's trying to make a case for other countries to share your problems in Iraq. He gives it a pretty good try, but why would anyone want to share your problems in Iraq for free? I doubt there will be many takers.

    You might tell other countries, "You'll have to face Iraq's problems anyway. This is now a big enough mess for everybody!"

    Now that's probably true, but they might come right back and say, "Yes, but if you get out, we might actually see that as one less problem in Iraq. Things might be much better and easier if we just let you fail first, and then come in afterwards with our own solutions, untainted by any prior association with you. So, while we acknowledge that there will be certainly be some sort of mess in Iraq, that doesn't necessarily mean we have to help you rehabilitate your particular mess in Iraq!"

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    So it's ok then for Iran to support, train, and equip the the Mahdi Militia? Then it's ok for Iran to come to the bargaining table claiming innocence and then expect to get something out of it? I don't think so! They still must be engaged visa-a-via talks and all I'm saying is the US shouldn't acquiesce to any demands Iran may think it can ge at the bargaining table.

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    Well, if you don't want anybody to gain anything at the bargaining table, then why would anybody ever want to bargain with you?
    Reread my post again. I only stated two specific countries and by no means stated everybody....

    The bottom line is, every country in that region gains by having a stable Iraq and looses by not having a stable Iraq.

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