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    Troop morale a casualty in Iraq

    Troop morale a casualty in Iraq

    Despite general's can-do attitude, U.S. forces feel stress of repeated tours and degraded gear

    BY LAWRENCE KORB AND STEPHEN XENAKIS

    Lawrence Korb, left, a former assistant secretary of Defense in Ronald Reagan's administration, is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington.

    February 2, 2007

    President George W. Bush has launched his latest plan for success in Iraq and has made major changes in leadership and strategy. Gen. David H. Petraeus - as the Senate has concluded by confirming his appointment this week as Iraq commander - brings to the mission of leading the troops in Iraq an impressive record as a commander and strategist.

    But the challenges he faces go far beyond developing the right strategy and tactics. He must recognize that the success of his forces also depends upon their mental readiness. The state of mind of those foot soldiers may not be strong enough to take on an expanded mission, no matter what their will, training or dedication.

    Petraeus' can-do attitude may not be able to overwhelm the growing skepticism and deflation that is affecting his troops.


    The surge in troop strength is an expansion of the ground forces in Iraq by nearly 20 percent. The troops exist to deploy to the theater for a short term but not to sustain the force over the next year and a half without extending GIs beyond yearlong deployments and putting them at a risk of further morale problems.

    Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has said the "active Army is about broken."

    It has been overextended, its equipment is degraded, and its morale is fading; there are not enough soldiers and Marines to keep up this pace indefinitely without doing greater damage to their mind-set.

    Some active Army soldiers are returning to Iraq for their third and fourth tours, which imposes undue strain and weakens morale. Support for the war among the troops has fallen. Only a third of the service members approve of the conduct of the war, while 42 percent disapprove, says an Army Times poll.

    As further evidence of the mind-set issue, the Army is facing a crisis in recruitment. The signs have been evident for some time; the Army granted nearly 22,000 waivers allowing new recruits to serve in 2006, up 42 percent from the prewar year of 2000. About 8,000 soldiers received waivers on moral grounds, or for rather serious offenses such as drunken driving or domestic abuse. This cannot be overlooked in considering the mind-set of troops in Iraq. Those considering the morale issue should think of Pvt. Steven Green, accused of the gruesome murder of an Iraqi girl. He suffered a troubled history as an adolescent, was a school dropout, had three criminal convictions and would not have qualified for enlistment before the invasion of Iraq. He could have been the poster child for retaining the highest possible enlistment standards to foster military self-image. Without that image, morale is bound to suffer.

    To all in the Army after Vietnam, the value of having high recruitment standards has been validated over and over. Soldiers now are generally better qualified, more effective and can handle more complex missions than many predecessors. The need for such men and women is especially keen now, when stabilizing Iraqi society - besieged by violence and insecurity - is the highest priority and has eluded our efforts for nearly four years.

    But how long can the military sustain a burdensome cycle of deployment? The Army's own survey has revealed that soldiers serving repeated deployments are 50 percent more likely than those serving one tour to suffer from acute combat stress, which considerably raises their risk of post-traumatic stress disorder. Other surveys have found that nearly 30 percent of troops deployed to Iraq suffer from depression, anxiety or post-traumatic stress while in Iraq or afterward.

    How fired up are troops about going back to the war zone and "doing it all over again"? Divorce rates are up, suicides are high. Meanwhile, the number of amputees and seriously injured rises daily.

    How much more can we ask our men and women to do, and expect that they will do it for several more years?

    Our military may not have the tools to accomplish the mission and certainly may not have the soldiers and Marines. It is a fatal flaw of this gambit to presume strategy can trump human nature.

    Troop morale a casualty in Iraq - Newsday.com
    A very dismal commentary.

    There is no doubt that repeated deployment in the combat zone does wear out individuals. It does lead to whole lot of man management and domestic problems. And it does create innumerable problems for the govt which has to maintain its aim and deliver.

    A catch 22 situation.

    That the troops are still managing speaks very highly of their dedication and patriotism and they should be commended.

    To overcome this problem, one way could be draft. But that would be a political suicide. Also , a draft will not guarantee that the soldiers would be better. In fact, many misfits would be in, leading to greater problems as was seen in Vietnam.

    One of the solution is to have a volunteer force of all nationalities like the French Foreign Legion (being discussed elsewhere in the Forum).

    All said and done, a difficult situation indeed, but the national aim cannot be forsaken!


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    It's just one person's point-of-view, but from what I can tell, there's LOTS of fight left in these guys. I'm around CENTCOM's warriors all day every day, and I can tell you that they don't seem tired and worn out to ME.

    One stat I keep seeing thrown around is the approval/disapproval rating of how the war is being conducted. But if only one third of the troops like the way we're going about the business of winning in Iraq, that does NOT necessarily mean they've lost faith in the mission. Hell, as for myself, I'm not crazy about how we're proceeding, either. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in the mission. Far from it - I want to go at the job HARDER. I want to WIN. I want the surge to be BIGGER, SOONER, and to last as long as it takes to WIN.

    So, although it's only my perspective here and backed by absolutely no numbers, stats or facts other than what I know from personal observation, I simply do not see the impending crash coming. What I can tell you that I do see is a frustrated will to victory, and a sense that our leaders and People are not as committed as we are.
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    Bluesman,

    This repeated turnover and its effect I understand to some degree since we (Indian Army Infantry units) are always back in the CI grid after every two years.

    If we were sent without this break, I am sure we would have got really fed up. As it is, we have started having problems inspite of this two year layover in peace stations, since the standard of living has gone up and our troops are getting urbanised and soft.

    We also have the advantage that we are from the same unit for life in most cases and so the cohesiveness is more and we know each other well.

    I believe in the US Army, soldiers can be posted to any unit.

    What is the time gap between turn over for Iraq?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Bluesman,

    This repeated turnover and its effect I understand to some degree since we (Indian Army Infantry units) are always back in the CI grid after every two years.

    If we were sent without this break, I am sure we would have got really fed up. As it is, we have started having problems inspite of this two year layover in peace stations, since the standard of living has gone up and our troops are getting urbanised and soft.

    We also have the advantage that we are from the same unit for life in most cases and so the cohesiveness is more and we know each other well.

    I believe in the US Army, soldiers can be posted to any unit.

    What is the time gap between turn over for Iraq?
    Sir,

    We call this "dwell" time, and the goal was 24 months; however, I believe the current average is more around 18 months. Korb is a glass half empty guy - I'm not questioning the conclusion that there is stress on the Army - just pointing out the perspective that he comes from so you can decide how you want to interpret his comments.

    From what I've seen, morale among troops doing their job is high - it's those that hang around the FOBs and are least committed to the everyday fight while deployed that are having the bigger morale issues. Also, the frustration over the debate at home is having an impact as well - with much of the debate being focused on exit. The attitude is that if you aren't playing to win, then why play? These observations aren't based on any specific numbers, just anecdotal from some of the email traffic I've seen and reading some blogs of embeds and soldiers deployed.
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    From what I've deduced, it is primarily the National Guard troops who find the repeated and extended deployment to Iraq devastating and demoralizing. None of these guys (and gals) were truly prepared for such an endeavor (well, few at best).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    So, although it's only my perspective here and backed by absolutely no numbers, stats or facts other than what I know from personal observation, I simply do not see the impending crash coming. What I can tell you that I do see is a frustrated will to victory, and a sense that our leaders and People are not as committed as we are.
    While I envy your commitment, I think this seems to beg the question: what does "victory" look like?

    It has become increasingly clear that "victory" will not look anything like the victory we set out for: Iraq will not be the 'peaceful prodigy of U.S. foreign policy'. At an Iraq policy debate between two members of the Federalist Society, both professors, one working with the State Department and the other a former member of the State Department currently working with the CIA (in what capacity I am unaware), brought many interesting suggestions to the foreground. The best suggestion for overall policy was a slow draw-down in troops, reformatting our interaction with the Iraqi people. U.S. (Coalition) troops would be increasingly teamed with Iraqi forces for training/combat experience and the presence of troops 'on patrol' or policing would be shifted to "green zones" deployed primarily for missions dictated by intelligence and request by Iraqi forces. The concept within is to prepare Iraqis for a definite time when they will not be reliant on U.S. forces as security personel, but they will have the power and capability to request direct intervention in certain situations.

    It is high time the President realizes that his original goal is now unattainable, "surge" or no.

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    In your completely amateur opinion, reliant as it is on second-hand knowledge. Correct?
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    Thanks.

    It helps me to understand the situation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    In your completely amateur opinion, reliant as it is on second-hand knowledge. Correct?
    Of course.

    Though I assume someone working with the CIA and the State Department have better knowledge than I. After all, I was just trying to relay their opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray View Post
    Shek

    Thanks.

    It helps me to understand the situation.
    Sir,
    Check your Yahoo account. I forwarded an email to you on this.
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    Shek,

    Thanks.

    Seen it and saved it.

    It is also a truism in our Army that many prefer 'field" (active) area to "peace stations" since the spit and polish and all that is not required in the field area and all that is required is the work for which one is trained!

    But then, one also has one's share of "peacetime soldiers" in our army!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpuddingfoot View Post
    Of course.

    Though I assume someone working with the CIA and the State Department have better knowledge than I. After all, I was just trying to relay their opinion
    Better knowledge, but odds are the exact same prejudices.

    Those two departments aren't exactly the most 'gung ho' of our organs of national power being brought to bear on this war. The State Department is quite simply the biggest drag on The Effort that isn't named the New York Times, and the CIA has been carrying on a low-level guerilla war against the Bush Administration since the First Inauguration.

    You've cited experts that share your antipathy toward an American victory. Better informed, certainly, but no more enthusiastic for the cause than yourself.
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    bluesman,

    You've cited experts that share your antipathy toward an American victory.
    a bit harsh, wouldn't you say? are the only people who don't have have an antipathy towards American victory that percentage of Republicans whom favor staying the course, and the military (minus the democrats and defeatist republicans within)?

    the CIA basically had a hiring freeze between 1991 and 2001. since then, the floodgates were opened and people sure tried to pour in. considering the "fun" factor in getting a background check and undergoing a Top Secret security clearance polygraph test multiple times, and the stunningly high pay of a GS-7 or GS-8 that newbies start out with...

    one would hope they can't all be traitors to the cause.
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    You'd have to work around them to truly understand what I mean. Otherwise, I just don't think you'd really be able to see it the way I do.

    In my job, I work with ALL the inter-agency players, and I NEVER experience the kind of inertia and drag with anybody else. This is absolutely the truth: the State Department wonks down here do not want to be associated with the word 'kill', as in my branch's mission of 'capture or kill enemy high-value individuals'. That's what we attempt to do; that's what they want no part of. And you'd have to be here to know what it is to be frustrated and impeded by people that vehemently object to your very existence.

    I wish I could express it in a way that you would know what I mean. (You probably think I'm just impatient with bureaucracy, which I am, or that it's a squabble about methods, and there's certainly those, too. But it's MORE than that.) Then, I think, you would not think it too strident to say they have an antipathy toward an American victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    are the only people who don't have have an antipathy towards American victory that percentage of Republicans whom favor staying the course, and the military (minus the democrats and defeatist republicans within)?
    Most days, yeah, it kind of seems like that. I trust the troops to deliver a victory, if they're allowed to. Just about nobody else is doing anything helpful, and many, many, many segments are doing as much as they can to see to it that we fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    one would hope they can't all be traitors to the cause.

    They wouldn't see it like that, but I do.

    I read an article by Hugh Hewitt (right-wing warmongering hater, like me) the other day that related an encounter that he'd had at a dinner party. His left-wing commie-symp dinner companion was asked did he WANT the Americans to win in Iraq. After lots of getting him to acknowledge that the question was not whether he thought we COULD win, but did he actually WANT America to win... the answer was, essentially, NO, he did NOT. Why is not important, and it is indefensible on logical or moral grounds anyway. But the essential point was, HE believes HE is the patriot, all while he wishes his country to lose a vitally important war.

    Call it what you want, but those people exist. I know what to call them, but they would not answer to it.
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