Iran threatens pre-emptive strike

**Ray** · 29 Aug 04,, 18:36

Originally Posted by Trooth

Since you ask, i class Iran as a rogue nuclear state along (in no particular order) with Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea.

What about the original rogues?

Islamic states are wild and rather unpredictable. 9/11, Pakistan threatening to use nukes in Kargil. At the drop of a hat issuing fatwas against those they don't agree with.

I am not contesting their having nukes, but their unpredicatability and there abject silence to condemn the atrocities being perpetuated daily by them, while on the other hand eulogising the jihadis indicates their wild mindset and lack of resoponsibility to the human race or proclivity to these things is very disgusting.

**Trooth** · 29 Aug 04,, 21:00

Originally Posted by Ray

What about the original rogues?

Islamic states are wild and rather unpredictable. 9/11, Pakistan threatening to use nukes in Kargil. At the drop of a hat issuing fatwas against those they don't agree with.

I am not contesting their having nukes, but their unpredicatability and there abject silence to condemn the atrocities being perpetuated daily by them, while on the other hand eulogising the jihadis indicates their wild mindset and lack of resoponsibility to the human race or proclivity to these things is very disgusting.

Pakistan is in my list. India is there, if you are wondering, largely because Pakistan is. India is IMHO more stable than its neighbour in areas other than when it deals with its neighbour. A clearly combustible situation.

**Trooth** · 29 Aug 04,, 21:05

Originally Posted by Confed999

I can't agree with that, nobody that treats their own people that badly can be trusted.

Not by you, perhaps, but if the person doing deciding who to trust is in Iran and has listened to some of Bush et al's speaches i suspect they would trust their own leaders with nukes more than they would trust the US with them. you and I, on the other hand, would have a different viewpoint.

**Major_Armstrong** · 30 Aug 04,, 01:59

See

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php

There seems to be a lot of Iranians who need help overthrowing the government.

**Trooth** · 30 Aug 04,, 21:05

Originally Posted by Major_Armstrong

See

http://www.activistchat.com/phpBB2/index.php

There seems to be a lot of Iranians who need help overthrowing the government.

361 assuming all are for it.

**Ray** · 31 Aug 04,, 10:31

From one of the threads of what Major Armstrong posted, it is apparent that the Grand Ayotollah's (father of the Islamic Revolution) granddaughter is against all this over zealous clerics. Therefore, obviously all things don't appear bright and beautiful.

Osama's sister in law also quit Saudi Arabia and went ballistics.

Therefore, taking these two cases of 'insiders' who are spilling the beans, it appears there is a great amount of internal contradictions and dissent. One would not be surprised if there is another uprising. It may take time.

However, apart from the theocratic zealots, Iran is a more sophisticated, cultured and educated country than their Arab neighbours.

I am afraid these religious zealots the world over are upsetting the apple cart.

Personally, knowing quite a few Iranians from Iran, both academicians and military, I think it is time the religious zealots give way and let Iran achieve its ancient culture, which is more rich than their theocratic zeal.

**Trooth** · 31 Aug 04,, 20:22

Originally Posted by Ray

I am afraid these religious zealots the world over are upsetting the apple cart.

I agree Ray but not just in the "east" but the west too. They aren't as zealous, but its certainly the case that religion is playing a part,

**lemontree** · 06 Oct 04,, 10:58

The Iranians are covertly engaging the US in Iraq through the insurgents. The terrain at the eastern border is so porous that they would not retaliate in a big way by air or land assaults. They will do what they are best at, sucide attacks, increase insurgency. Aid and assist all the worlds islamic terrorists. They will create a mess in that area.
But then their nuclear assets need to be hit.

**Ray** · 06 Oct 04,, 18:30

Europe in Iran missile range

http://www.telegraphindia.com/archives/archive.html

A truck carries the Shahab-3 missile during a parade in Tehran. (AFP)

Tehran, Oct. 5 (Reuters): Iran has increased the range of its missiles to 2,000 km, a senior official was quoted as saying today.

The range would put parts of Europe within reach for the first time. Military experts had earlier put Iran’s missile range at 1,300 km, which would allow it to strike anywhere in Israel.

“Now we have the power to launch a missile with a 2,000 km range,” the news agency IRNA quoted influential former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani as saying. “Iran is determined to improve its military capabilities.”

“If the Americans attack Iran, the world will change ... they will not dare to make such a mistake,” Rafsanjani was quoted as saying in a speech at an exhibition on Space and Stable National Security. Washington has accused Tehran of secretly developing nuclear weapons.

Iran insists its nuclear programme is aimed only at generating electricity. It says its missiles are for defensive purposes and would be used to counter a possible Israeli or US strike against its nuclear facilities. Iranian officials have frequently trumpeted their ability to strike back at any aggressor, and in August they announced they had successfully tested an upgraded version of the medium-range Shahab-3 missile.

Military experts say the unmodified Shahab-3 had a range of 1,300 km. Shahab means meteor in Persian.

While Iran has had Israel in its missile sights for some time, Israeli officials said the longer 2,000 km range was more significant for Europe than for Israel.

“We are well prepared to defend the state of Israel ... The Iranians will have to think twice before using these kinds of weapons,” a senior Israeli government said. Defence minister Ali Shamkhani said last month that a new “strategic missile” had recently been delivered to the armed forces, but did not give its range.

Israel has long accused Iran of working on a long-range missile, the Shahab-4, which would be able to reach Europe. Iran denies any plans to build a Shahab-4 missile.

Tehran recently announced plans to launch its own satellite into space next year. Military experts say a satellite launch rocket could easily be adapted for military purposes.

**Jay** · 06 Oct 04,, 18:32

well, less payload, more fuel, more range....

but accuracy?

**Ray** · 07 Oct 04,, 00:46

Jay,

Would such missiles be like the proverbial drunken sailor?

As the old song goes:

What should we do with the drunken sailor,
What should we do with the drunken sailor,
What should we do with the drunken sailor,
Underneath the moonlight?

Put him in a buggy,
and we will all go riding,
Put him in a buggy,
and we will all go riding,
Put him in a buggy,
and we will all go riding,
Underneath the Moonlight!

So, all this is just Moonshine!