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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon View Post
    What. No. My point was that this is empty propaganda.
    So was Mien Kampf...for a while.

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    The Crusader "scar" on the psyche of Islam is a collective mindfukc, which did not exist until more recently
    I don't think it matters how long they've believed it. All that matters is that literally tens of millions of them(if not more)....do.

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    as I went to some length to explain, dug up and slapped around like a wet fish by OBL.
    Look man, i don't need you 'splainin' things to me. Of course OBL is stoking the flames..it's what people do when they see what they feel to be a real threat or message/movement of great import. It serves the messengers purposes to do so.

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    But you know Snipe, you do the same when you hold up the atrocities of the PLO from the 70s as an example of the evil of Islam fundamentalism.
    I am merely pointing out facts, and using history as a guide to govern my future actions.

    If you feel that's a problem then i can only conclude that it's actually you that's the problem.

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    This GWOT is only a God given opportunity to press home the overall US strategy to remain the sole global superpower as contained in the Cheney inspired Defence Policy Guidelines.

    The Iraq War is just a stepping stone and an important one at that too. However, it has misfired because Amercian are an impatient lot for keen on quick fixes. In the bargain, they did not use their brains and dismantled everything that is required for governance. The end result is the current chaos.

    Notwithstanding, it is a opportunity for the US Forces to get combatised training and will hold them in good state for the future. Expensive in all forms, but an excellent format to learn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by M21Sniper View Post
    Look man, i don't need you 'splainin' things to me. Of course OBL is stoking the flames..it's what people do when they see what the feel to be a real threat or message/movement of great import. It serves the messengers purposes to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon View Post
    But you know Snipe, you do the same when you hold up the atrocities of the PLO from the 70s as an example of the evil of Islam fundamentalism.
    I am merely pointing out facts, and using history as a guide to govern my future actions.

    If you feel that's a problem then i can only conclude that it's actually you that's the problem.
    It is a problem if it leads to a misunderstanding as to who your enemy is, and what his objectives are, as you will make errors in strategy.


    For instance, you may screw up the opportunity of using the most potent tools in the war against international islamic terrorists: muslims, and, yes, mainstream islamic fundamentalists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon View Post
    It is a problem if it leads to a misunderstanding as to who your enemy is, and what his objectives are, as you will make errors in strategy.

    For instance, you may screw up the opportunity of using the most potent tools in the war against international islamic terrorists: muslims, and, yes, mainstream islamic fundamentalists.
    "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
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    The law of unintended consequences pretty well dictates that any course of action will always have a downside(and usually just as big as the upside- , even if the downside is far more subtle, as it often is, at least at first. This was the case even after WWII).

    IOW: One cannot be paralyzed by possible negative consequences when one is otherwise sure it is time to act.

    I am convinced we have a bloody fight coming for the forseeable future. One that will escalate whether we act, or whether we do nothing at all. When confronted with such a situation, it is best to take the fight to the enemy, as opposed to letting him bring it to us.

    Attacking Iraq was a good idea.

    Attacking Iraq in a 1/2 assed fashion has been an utter disaster.

    Conclusion:
    When we attack Iran, we should hit them with the whole god-damned kitchen sink, and not just the fixtures.
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    Conclusion: When we attack Iran, we should hit them with the whole god-damned kitchen sink, and not just the fixtures.
    i agree. IF such a thing is necessary, then it would be far better if we did the whole bit, airstrikes, invasion, and occupation with overwhelming force.

    "If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well it were done quickly."

    of course, that would be the end of the volunteer army, and probably the republican party as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by astralis View Post
    i agree. IF such a thing is necessary, then it would be far better if we did the whole bit, airstrikes, invasion, and occupation with overwhelming force.

    "If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well it were done quickly."
    Hang on, before you do, -not that I'm military or anything- but Iran is 3x the size and population of Iraq, up to the eyeballs in WMD, with a people that would draw up behind the government, who would, in the mean time, not underplay their (strong) hand in Iraq. Sounds like another recipe for a debacle. Quagmire in Iran whilst loosing Iraq to radical fundamentalist revolution. I wonder whether we would at last see large scale Shiite/Sunni alliance in the face of a common enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandwagon View Post
    Hang on, before you do, -not that I'm military or anything- but Iran is 3x the size and population of Iraq, up to the eyeballs in WMD, with a people that would draw up behind the government, who would, in the mean time, not underplay their (strong) hand in Iraq. Sounds like another recipe for a debacle. Quagmire in Iran whilst loosing Iraq to radical fundamentalist revolution. I wonder whether we would at last see large scale Shiite/Sunni alliance in the face of a common enemy.
    In order for Iran to "also be a quagmire" in an invasion scenario an external force has to continue to interfere(say syria). It is entirely debatable whether or not Syria would be in a mood to further enhance it's chances of becoming the Trifecta.

    There is also no guarantee it would spark a Islamofacist revolution in Iraq, nor that there would be a Sunni-Shia alliance. All are possibilities, though the last one in particular is extremely unlikely. Islam is NOWHERE NEAR as unified as it appears at first glance.

    Just ask the black muslims in Darfur who are being EXTERMINATED in literal droves by Arab Muslims(all sunnis, btw).

    Personally, should an attack on Iran come to pass, i would stick to airpower only, but as i said(and took immense heat for from some quarters), i would go with a sustained massive precision bombing campaign that targetted the entirety of Iranian industry and infrastructure as well as WMD and military targets, as per Yugoslavia.

    We do not need to invade to be 100% resolute in our course of action. All it takes is a President like this one....one that no matter what will not buckle or fold.

    Bush deserves to be bashed for a lot, but he is definitely one of the most resolute and determined US leaders of all time. Unfortunately, he has a few assclowns as advisors...which leads me to his #1 shortcoming, he is loyal to a fault.
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    I like and pity Bush at the same time. As Snipe said, he's extremely determined and resolved to do what's necessary, but his cabinet sucks and he himself is a little naive, though probably not unintelligent.
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    My Two Cents

    The strategic consequences of our operational failure in Iraq appear enormous even if the downstream perturbations are not yet fully apparent or understood.

    We've achieved modest operational successes within the OIF campaign- to include Phase IV. The Baath Party is dismantled. Saddam Hussein has been captured. WMD, whether present at the time of OIF or not, has been rendered a moot issue in Iraq for the forseeable future. Kurdistan's near-term security has been achieved.

    All of the above represent worthy interim successes within the greater construct of operational failure. The over-arching operational objective was to create a stabilized and modern arab democracy to serve as a positive example against the dark-ages vision of a wahabbist/salafist islamic caliphate, thus leading modern araby into the light. Here we've failed. Not only in Iraq, but the squandering of these mis-spent resources has distracted and increased our vulnerability to failure in Afghanistan as well.

    Oddly, there may yet be hope.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...1CF52D74E9.htm

    Talabani has invited America to build two AFBs and station 10,000 troops (in addition as ground security, I hope) in Kurdistan. THIS, from the President of Iraq, who happens to Kurdish, might seem as laying the groundwork for our exodus from Iraq should that nation collapse into final chaos.

    Further, it would provide the bulwark for a newly minted Kurdish nation in an otherwise immensely hostile environ. Our protection would be essential to continued Kurdish sovereignty. As such, America would retain significant leverage to mitigate and improve the nature of turkish-Kurd dialogue/discourse.

    Bluntly, it would be easy to presuade the Kurdish gov't. to forego assistance and sanctuary to the PKK under threat of our departure. Too, a fledgling Kurdistan should have little use for, and be threatened by, any organization staging attacks upon it's new and dangerous neighbors across the border.

    Aside from the potential to end the Kurd/Turk conumdrum, we'd retain yet another advantage originally intended from Iraq-the continued military/strategic containment of Iran while ridding ourselves of the "tar-baby" sectarian-based civil war. Indeed, we may be heaving this insurgency onto the Iranians who, instead, may find themselves knee-deep in al-Anbar and Baghdad trying to quell a baathist/al Qaeda/sunni tribal trifecta.

    Finally, deja vu all over again. We'd get to play the "democracy transformation" game once more. This time within a far more cohesive society. Were we to do so successfully, Neo-con aspirations of a regional outbreak of democracy may not be as easily realized as it might otherwise have been with an Iraqi success. Still, it would only be speculation at this point when considering it's full impact.

    God, I hope we JUMP all over Talabani's offer before it can be re-visited. We've long needed an exit strategy for Iraq and now it's been handed to us-giftwrapped IMHO.

    Anyway, a few thoughts from a new poster.

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    S-2,
    Welcome aboard. I'm glad you decided to make a foray into WAB. Here's an article I think you will like to peruse, and given some of your thoughts in your post, maybe you've already seen it.

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    Infidel Documents

    By Fouad Ajami

    The scaffolding of the Iraq war is under renewed attack. So there had been no meeting between Mohamed Atta and Iraqi intelligence operative Ahmad al-Ani in Prague; and Saddam's regime was "intensely secular" while al Qaeda was steeped in religious doctrine. Tariq Aziz, once Goebbels to his master, now in captivity, says that Saddam had only "negative sentiments" about Osama bin Laden, and that the despot had issued a decree "outlawing Wahhabism in Iraq and threatening offenders with execution."

    The case against the Iraq war now has a new canonical document: a report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, released on Sept. 8. Opponents of the war -- to use their own language against the Bush administration -- now "cherry pick" this report, and they find in it the damning evidence that had been their conviction all along. In their eyes, the case for this war was a willful hoax. And on the heels of this report, it was revealed that the National Intelligence Estimate now depicts Iraq as the breeding ground of a new generation of terrorists.

    Intended or not, the release of the Senate report, around the fifth anniversary of 9/11, has been read as definitive proof that the Iraq war stands alone, that the terrors that came America's way on 9/11 had nothing to do with the origins of the war. Few will read this report; fewer still will ask why a virtually incomprehensible Arab-Islamic world that has eluded us for so long now yields its secrets to a congressional committee. On the face of it, and on the narrowest of grounds, the report maintains that the link between the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq cannot stand in a Western court of inquiry.

    But this brutal drawn-out struggle between American power and the furies of the Arab-Islamic world was never a Western war. Our enemies were full of cunning and expert at dissimulation, hunkering down when needed. No one in the coffeehouses of the Arab world (let alone in the safe houses of the terrorists) would be led astray by that distinction between "secular" and "religious" movements emphasized by the Senate Intelligence Committee. They live in a world where the enemies of order move with remarkable ease from outward religious piety to the most secular of appearances. It is no mystery to them that Saddam, once the most secular of despots, fell back on religious symbols after the first Gulf War, added Allahu Akbar (God is great) to Iraq's flag, and launched a mosque-building campaign whose remnants -- half-finished mosques all over Baghdad -- now stand mute.

    No Iraqi agents had to slip into hotel rooms in Prague for meetings with jihadists to plot against America. The plot sprang out of the deep structure of Arab opinion. We waged a war against Saddam in 1991 and then spared him. We established a presence in the Arabian Peninsula to monitor him, only to help radicalize a population with religious phobias about the "infidel" presence on Arabian soil. The most devout and the most religiously lapsed of the Arabs alike could see the feebleness of America's response to a decade of subversion and terror waged by Arab plotters and bankrolled by Arab financiers. The American desire to launch out of Iraq a broader campaign of deterrence against the radical forces of the region may not have been successful in every way, but the effort was driven by a shrewd reading that, after Kabul, the war had to be taken deep into the Arab world itself.

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    Strictly speaking, the National Intelligence Estimate -- another "canonical" document -- is not a finding: It is an assessment of Islamic terrorism and its perceived links to Iraq. (It is odd, and ironic, that the intelligence agencies that had been mocked by liberal opinion for their reporting on Iraq before the war have now acquired an aura of infallibility.) Islamic terror did not wait on the Iraq war. The assertion that Islamic terrorism has "metastasized and spread across the globe" because of Iraq takes at face value what the jihadists themselves proclaim. It would stand to reason that their Web sites, and the audiotapes of their leaders, would trumpet their attachment to the cause of Iraq. It is inevitable that American analysts glued to jihadist cyberspace, and lacking intimate knowledge of Arab ways, would take the jihadists at their word. But Islamic radicals have not lacked for grievances. The anti-Americanism and antimodernism that brought them onto American soil five years ago predated Iraq. For the good part of two decades, jihadist terror blew at will, driven by the conviction in the lands of Islam and its diaspora communities that America was a pampered land with little zeal for bloody struggles.

    The declassified portions of the NIE are not particularly profound in the reading of Islamism. Their sociologese is of a piece with a big body of writing on Islamist movements -- that the resentments of these movements arise out of "anger, humiliation and a sense of powerlessness" in the face of the West. I dare guess that were Ayman al-Zawahiri to make his way through this report, he would marvel at the naďveté of those who set out to read him and his fellow warriors of the faith. Ayoob al-Masri (Zarqawi's successor in Iraq) would not find himself and his phobias and his will to power in this "infidel document." These warriors have a utopia -- an Islamic world ruled by their own merciless brand of the faith. With or without Iraq, the work of "cleansing" Islam's world would continue to rage on.

    It was inevitable that the Arabs would regard this American project in Iraq through the prism of their own experience. We upended an order of power in Baghdad, dominated as it had been by the Sunni Arabs; and we emancipated the Shiite stepchildren of the Arab world, as well as the Kurds. Our innocence was astounding. We sinned against the order of the universe, but called on the region to celebrate, to bless our work. More to the point, we set the Shia on their own course. We did for them what they could not have done on their own. For our part, we were ambivalent about the coming of age of the Shia. We had battled radical Shiism in Iran and in Lebanon in the 1980s. The symbols of Shiism we associated with political violence -- radical mullahs, martyrology, suicide bombers. True, in the interim, we had had a war -- undeclared, but still a war -- with Sunni jihadists. But there lingered in us an aversion to radical Shiism, an understandable residue of the campaign that Ayatollah Khomeini had waged against American power in the '80s. We were susceptible as well to the representations made to us by rulers in the Sunni-ruled states about the dangers of radical Shiism.

    The case against the war makes much of Iran's new power in Iraq. To the war critics, President Bush has midwifed a second Islamic republic in Iraq, next door to Iran. But Iran cannot run away with Iraq, and talk of an ascendant Iran in Iraqi affairs is overblown. We belittle the Iraqi Shiites -- their sense of home, and of a tradition so thoroughly Iraqi and Arab -- when we write them off as instruments of Iran. Inevitably, there is Iranian money in Iraq, and there are agents, but this is the logic of the 900-mile Iranian-Iraqi border.

    True, in the long years of Tikriti/Saddamist dominion, Shiite political men persecuted by the regime sought sanctuary in Iran; a political party, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, and its military arm, the Badr Brigade, rose in those years with Iranian patronage. But the Iraqi exiles are not uniform in their attitudes toward Iran. Exile was hard, and the Iranian hosts were given to arrogance and paternalism. Iraqi exiles were subordinated to the strategic needs of the Iranian regime. Much is made, and appropriately, of the way the Americans who prosecuted the first Gulf War called for rebellions by the Shiites (and the Kurds), only to walk away in indifference as the Saddam regime struck back with vengeance. But the Iranians, too, averted their gaze from the slaughter. States are merciless, the Persian state no exception to that rule.

    We should not try to impose more order and consensus on the world of Shiite Iraq than is warranted by the facts. In recent days a great faultline within the Shiites could be seen: The leader of the Supreme Council for the Revolution in Iraq, Sayyid Abdulaziz al-Hakim, has launched a big campaign for an autonomous Shiite federated unit that would take in the overwhelmingly Shiite provinces in the south and the middle Euphrates, but this project has triggered the furious opposition of Hakim's nemesis, the young cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Hakim's bid was transparent. He sought to be the uncrowned king of a Shiite polity. But he was rebuffed. Sadr was joined in opposition to that scheme by the Daawa Party of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, by the Virtue Party, and by those secular Shiites who had come into the national assembly with former Prime Minister Iyad Allawi. A bitter struggle now plays out in the Shiite provinces between the operatives of the Badr Brigade and Sadr's Mahdi Army. The fight is draped in religious colors -- but it is about the spoils of power.

    The truculence of the Sunni Arabs has brought forth the Shiite vengeance that a steady campaign of anti-Shiite terror was bound to trigger. Sunni elements have come into the government, but only partly so. President Jalal Talabani put it well when he said that there are elements in Iraq that partake of government in the daytime, and of terror at night. This is as true of the Sunni Arabs as it is of the Shiites. The (Sunni) insurgents were relentless: In the most recent of events, they have taken terror deep into Sadr City. The results were predictable: The death squads of the Mahdi Army struck back.

    It is idle to debate whether Iraq is in a state of civil war. The semantics are tendentious, and in the end irrelevant. There is mayhem, to be sure, but Iraq has arrived at a rough balance of terror. The Sunni Arabs now know, as they had never before, that their tyranny is broken for good. And the most recent reports from Anbar province speak of a determination of the Sunni tribes to be done with the Arab jihadists.

    It is not a rhetorical flourish to say that the burden of rescuing Iraq lies with its leaders. No script had America staying indefinitely, fighting Iraq's wars, securing Iraq's peace. The best we can do for Iraq is grant it time to develop the military and political capabilities that would secure it against insurgencies at home and subversion from across its borders. No one can say with confidence how long the American body politic will tolerate the expense in blood and treasure. It would be safe to assume that this president will stay with this war, that its burden is likely to be passed onto his successor. The Iraqis are approaching reckoning time, for America's leaders are under pressure to force history's pace. The political process here at home is not likely to impose a precise deadline for withdrawal. But the Iraqis should not be lulled into complacency, for the same political process is more likely to place limits on this commitment in Iraq.

    For their part, the Iranians will press on: The spectacle of power they display is illusory. It is a broken society over which the mullahs rule. A society that throws on the scene a leader of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's derangement is not an orderly land; foreigners may not be able to overthrow that regime, but countries can atrophy as their leaders -- armed, here, by an oil windfall of uncertain duration -- strut on the world stage. Iran's is a deeper culture than Iraq's, possessed of a keen sense of Persia's primacy in the region around it. What Iranians make of their own history will not wait on the kind of society that will emerge in Iraq. On the margins, a scholarly tradition in Najaf given to moderation could be a boon to the clerics of Iran. But the Iranians will not know deliverance from the sterility of their world if Iraq were to fail. Their schadenfreude over an American debacle in Iraq will have to be brief. A raging fire next door to them would not be pretty. And, crafty players, the Iranians know what so many in America who guess at such matters do not: that Iraq is an unwieldy land, that the Arab-Persian divide in culture, language and temperament is not easy to bridge.

    We needn't give credence to the assertion of President Bush -- that the jihadists would turn up in our cities if we pulled up stakes from Baghdad -- to recognize that a terrible price would be paid were we to opt for a hasty and unseemly withdrawal from Iraq. This is a region with a keen eye for the weakness of strangers. The heated debate about the origins of our drive into Iraq would surely pale by comparison to the debate that would erupt -- here and elsewhere -- were we to give in to despair and cast the Iraqis adrift.

    Mr. Ajami, a professor at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins, is the author, most recently, of "The Foreigner's Gift" (Free Press, 2006). He is a recipient of the 2006 Bradley Prize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluesman View Post
    I didn't. I was one of the guys defending the moderate Muslims, the Dubai Ports deal, and I stand behind the Bush Doctrine of siding with moderate Muslims, and making as many more of 'em as is possible through democratic conversion of their heretofore failed states and kleptocratic thugocracies.

    What I admittedly HAVE done is point to a systemic problem throughout the ummah that seems to indicate that of all the world's major faiths, THAT one is the most easily hijacked, turned to evil, and by breeding its particular form of fanaticism, intolerance and fatalistic ignorance, it can be turned into the most intractable enemy of liberal thought, personal freedom and general advancement of the human condition.

    There; that is my knock on Islam.
    Yeah, you were actually opposed to me when i got off on one of my fire and brimstone tangents one time here.

    Bluesman is moderate compared to me.

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    Thank you for both the welcome and the excellent article. I had not read Mr. Ajami's essay and found his assertions interesting, as you undoubtedly expected. A couple of comments, in particular, stood out-

    "The American desire to launch out of Iraq a broader campaign of deterrence against the radical forces of the region may not have been successful in every way, but the effort was driven by a shrewd reading that, after Kabul, the war had to be taken deep into the Arab world itself."

    I presume that Mr. Ajami is suggesting we saw "democracy transformation" as the vehicle to project this "broader campaign of deterrence..."? It's interesting that he refers to this in the past tense. Coupled with his later comments,

    "It is idle to debate whether Iraq is in a state of civil war. The semantics are tendentious, and in the end irrelevant. There is mayhem, to be sure, but Iraq has arrived at a rough balance of terror."

    one might think that, shrewd or otherwise, we've achieved a satisfactory equilibrium in Mr. Ajami's eyes even while having failed to achieve our "broader campaign" goals. Perhaps he's satisfied with this condition as an acceptable end-state on at least this corner of the global battlefield?

    I had to laugh that, in shrewdly targeting the new direction of GWOT into the heart of the arab world, Ajami accuses us of a lapse into gentle innocence,

    "Our innocence was astounding. We sinned against the order of the universe, but called on the region to celebrate, to bless our work."

    Some might suggest this was just a well-crafted dissembling of a more cynical recognition that we intended to turn the arab body politic on it's heels. At least I'd hope so. "Democracy transformation", as a weapon in the GWOT, is nothing if not about paradigm busting. That no nation relishes the unknown as a preferred condition to a failed reality quite like the United States should not be surprising. We remain the consummate revolutionary force in world discourse.

    Ajami comments on the failed "federal" scheme by Hakim's SCIRI as an attempt to carve out a shia fiefdom at the exclusion of Sadr's mahdi movement appear to illustrate the disorder within the Iraqi shias. There's no reason to dispute this notion. I'd certainly agree that Iran fully recognizes the conflict existing within these two primary protege movements, as well as the limits to it's Iraqi influence imposed by the Persian/arab cultural schism. Nonetheless, the disintegration of governance in Iraq will compel even greater levels of Iranian support to both the Badr Brigade and the mahdi army. There is, therefore, the potential for the sunni arab world to use Iraq as it's web to ensnare pan-shia aspirations.

    It might be a giggle to find ourselves entrenched in the Federal Autonomous Region of Kurdistan as the rest of Iraq becomes the clash-point of Sunni-Shia hostility. To that end, were we to begin our quiet transition northward into Kurdistan, we might avoid Ajami's final missive-

    "...that a terrible price would be paid were we to opt for a hasty and unseemly withdrawal from Iraq."

    Now we can leave without EVER leaving. Now we can prepare our next residence without appearing "hasty and unseemly". This is important. We maintain our regional presence and objectives, rather than appearing to beat a retreat out of the region altogether. Pulling up stakes and heading back to America would be perceived as a defeat. Pulling up stakes and either a.) carving out a presence in a autonomous region of Iraq, should Iraq survive or; b.) becoming protector and guarantor of kurdish sovereignty would make far more difficult any assertion of abject defeat at the hands of our opponents. Big difference.

    Either way, though, a sovereign Iraq is not ultimately our decision. We must be prepared to recognize the reasonable limit of our influence. To that end, we had better plan our next transition. Talabani has provided us with a solution to that dilemma, IMHO.

    Finally, it was funny to read Ajami's thoughts on both the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report, as well as the NIE. Perhaps you've read this column, but I offer this as a small adjunct to Ajami-

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092500912.html

    Again, thanks for the interesting read and my apologies for a bit of a ramble.

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    Your analysis seems pretty sharp S-2, but then, Intel guys always sound smart in advance of an op...

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    "...but then, Intel guys always sound smart in advance of an op..."

    Yeah, ain't it amazing how the further past the LD/LC you go, the dumber the S-2 gets!

    I'm sure that you'll often find that being the case with me here!

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    "Corporal, Your team's infl/exfil routes have been thoroughly scouted with aerial recon, and we anticipate no significant enemy presence along your axis of advance, though the townspeople that see you may decide to throw you a parade, so here, take these little flags and a camera with you, just in case a photo op develops."
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