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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift Sword View Post
    If al-Qaeda wanted to bring a nuclear weapon into the United States, they would hide it in a truck full of cocaine and nobody would ever find it.
    Still too risky. They would have to worry about geigers, and dogs, and curious cops. Easier to load it in a tanker full of oil. It even gets delivered to a major port. Delivery systems aren't a problem, it's keeping the weapons out of the wrong hands.
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    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999 View Post
    Still too risky. They would have to worry about geigers, and dogs, and curious cops. Easier to load it in a tanker full of oil. It even gets delivered to a major port. Delivery systems aren't a problem, it's keeping the weapons out of the wrong hands.
    Hell, i'd just put it on a yacht.

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    HOW DARE THEY DRAG THE GOOD NAME OF THE UNITED STATES THROUGH THE MUD OF IRAQ this message is from mr al gore ha ha

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    Quote Originally Posted by shek View Post
    Swift Sword,
    While we are in agreeance on many things, I must ask, is it possible to win if one only plays defense? Will the pan-Islamists and the ideas they espouse just wither? Or must we take the offense? I believe the latter, although I don't necessarily equate offensive power with just military power.
    Sir,

    Regarding your first question, I could not answer for certain. However, I do know that the current security situation is a ridiculously simple tactical excercise: we know who the enemy is and where he would like to strike.

    With such a boon in hand, the thing to do is let the enemy blunt his blade upon a strong shield while we wait for and/or seek the best opportunity to put him on the ground.

    At this point, the enemy does not look particularly impressed with either our offensive or defensive posture so the whole damn point might be construed as moot.

    The second: Pan Islamism is an idea and, quite frankly, it appears that its pimps, pushers and players are kicking the snot out of us in the war of ideas. It is not likely that it will wither as it is not a revolutionary but rather an evolutionary ideology.

    Pan Islamism has come a long way in the last three hundred years and it will continue to evolve and adapt to meet challenges as they arise.

    The ultimate solution to Pan Islamism is in all likelihood one of political psychiatry, not militarism.

    Ironically, it is the Iranians who appear to hold the key to the Pan Islamic menace yet the Gobbelcrats have their chum on the water and the masses will no doubt cheer the death of this potentially great messanger and call it Justice.

    The third: conventional wisdom holds that "the best defense is a good offense". This begs the question: how well does conventional wisdom perform in unconventional situations?

    At its genesis, Pan Islamism is an anti colonial ideology. By engaging in what many in the Muslim world are construing as neo colonialsim in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are feeding the beast. It is we who substaniate its claims, we who justify its actions.

    We joined the fight at the enemy's invitation and we perform to his expectation. These are not exactly the hallmarks of a winning game plan, methinks.

    Moving away from the realm of ideas, the take the fight to the enemy approach does not appear to be particularly successful from a military standpoint. We toppled and occuppied Afghanistan and Iraq amidst much hoopla about fronts and victories in the war on terror only to see the enemy appear in London, Madrid and Bali.

    The Pan Islamic terrorists are operating in classic guerilla fashion and very predictably so: they will be found where we are weak, not strong and this is relative to both our hard and our soft power.

    Misapplication of power in an effort to attrit an enemy has been known to lead to self attrition and we may be watching the evolution of a case study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie View Post
    Please stop posting that picture.....that is an ugly, ugly....man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999 View Post
    Still too risky. They would have to worry about geigers, and dogs, and curious cops.
    Geiger counters that may never be purchased becuase funds get diverted elsewhere or are stolen, dogs that never seem to be able to find the contraband readily available in the local open air drug markets and cops that are not curious enough to solve existing border porosity.

    Delivery systems aren't a problem, it's keeping the weapons out of the wrong hands.
    A battle which has never been won by anybody at anytime. Besides, given the ramshackle state of public health in the United States, there is nothing to lead anyone to beleive that WMD are considered to be even a remote threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnut View Post
    Hey what do you have against Vince?
    He's ugly, and I have a very weak stomach in the mornings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift Sword View Post
    Geiger counters that may never be purchased becuase funds get diverted elsewhere or are stolen, dogs that never seem to be able to find the contraband readily available in the local open air drug markets and cops that are not curious enough to solve existing border porosity.
    It can still happen. No chance of any of it with my suggestion though. Also, just a little help, the more crimes you commit the greater the chance of getting caught. Common sense stuff...

    Quote Originally Posted by Swift Sword View Post
    A battle which has never been won by anybody at anytime. Besides, given the ramshackle state of public health in the United States, there is nothing to lead anyone to beleive that WMD are considered to be even a remote threat.
    So far there have been how many WMD attacks on the United States?
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    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift Sword View Post
    [CYNICAL MODE ON]

    Geiger counters that may never be purchased becuase funds get diverted elsewhere or are stolen, dogs that never seem to be able to find the contraband readily available in the local open air drug markets and cops that are not curious enough to solve existing border porosity.

    [CYNICAL MODE OFF]
    http://www.cbp.gov/xp/CustomsToday/2...ion_portal.xml

    http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/...nforcement.pdf

    I'm not happy that five years later we aren't at 100% of RPMs installed, but at least we are getting there. Machines and dogs aren't a panacea, but even the partial deployment thus far serves a valuable purpose as deterrent and in raising the cost of any attempted smuggling operation.
    "So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand." Thucydides 1.20.3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Confed999 View Post
    It can still happen. No chance of any of it with my suggestion though. Also, just a little help, the more crimes you commit the greater the chance of getting caught. Common sense stuff...
    Crooked Customs and Border Patrol agents are not an unknown phenomenon.

    Anybody that has already sold themselves out may take the money and not look to closely at what he or she is letting through.

    So far there have been how many WMD attacks on the United States?
    I am not one of the crowd which equates a lack of attacks or enemy activity with "peace and security in our time". That is the type of complacency which gets people killed.

    As a point of fact, there has been one at least one WMD attack in the United States since 9-11-01 and it did cause quite a bit of consternation

    However, we could be under a bioweapon or chemical attack as we speak and might not even know it. Some of the best strikes will take years to manifest themselves.

    You may wish to examine the case studies of successful BW attacks in the United States during the 20'th Century as you assess vulnerability to the WMD threat. There are several to choose from which make great blueprints for an attack in the current security climate.

    The Army in Iraq requires a substantial number of factories, farms and fields to remain deployed and many of these facilities are unsecure and in the white as of 9-11-06.

    One of the BW attacks carried out in the United States during the 20'th century specifically targeted facilities that had war material destined to support military activity overseas.

    The college boys over there at al-Qeda have already demonstrated their penchant for the past as prologue so it would be pretty stupid to think that they might not be able to put two and two together.

    When discussing terrorist use of WMD, I would consider the danger of a fission weapon or dirty bomb to be the more remote possibilities but given the ease of entry into the United States combined with the large number of easy to strike targets makes the danger of CW/BW quite acute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swift Sword View Post
    I am not one of the crowd which equates a lack of attacks or enemy activity with "peace and security in our time". That is the type of complacency which gets people killed.
    Damned straight Squaddie, damned straight.

    How many surprise attacks of Pearl Harbor were there before the Japanese attacked?

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    WHO THE HELLLLL DO ALL THESE PEOPlE WHO THINK IRAQ WASNT A GOOD IDEA THINK THEY ARE,are they smarter than george bushes expert advisers,can they disprove there is no hidden weapons of mass destruction in iraq,can they prove that the war on terror is not part of the war in iraq,my answer is no and no and no and no.thank you very much

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