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    The Times - French and Germans paid ransoms to hostage-takers.

    Whereas the British use force to release British hostages held in Iraq - such as the time when the British Army flattened a jail with some tanks to release the Brits held inside - the more cowardly French, Germans and Italians PAY the hostage-takers money to release French, German and Italian prisoners
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    France Denies Report It Paid for Hostages


    Iraqi jail lies in ruins after the British flatten it to save British hostages.

    PARIS (AP) -- The French government repeated Monday that it never paid for the release of its citizens held hostage in Iraq, denying a report in The Times of London that France, Germany and Italy paid millions of dollars in secret ransom.

    "As French authorities indicated at the moment of the release of the hostages, there has been no payment of ransom," Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei told The Associated Press.

    On its Web site, the British daily said documents held by the Iraqi security forces showed the three European countries paid $45 million for the release of nine hostages.

    According to the report, Paris paid $15 million for the December 2004 release of journalists Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot and another $10 million for the June 2005 release of journalist Florence Aubenas.

    The government in Berlin has not given details of how the release was secured for the three Germans held hostage in Iraq.

    Amid persistent speculation that ransom was paid, the head of the German Foreign Ministry crisis unit that handled the latest case said earlier this month that "the government does not let itself be blackmailed."

    "It is our clear principle that the government rejects ransom payments," Reinhard Silberberg was quoted as telling the Leipziger Volkszeitung daily.

    The Italian Foreign Ministry had no immediate comment on the Times report. However, the former Italian government of ex-Premier Silvio Berlusconi always denied strong speculation in Italy that money was paid to free Giuliana Sgrena and other Italian hostages in Iraq.

    Critics complain that paying ransoms encourages gangs in Iraq to take foreigners hostage.

    Of the more than 250 foreigners kidnapped since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003, at least 44 have been killed, 135 have been released, three hostages got away, and six were rescued. The fate of the others is still unknown.

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    i'm getting bored by this constant bashing, while its probably true that the three countries have paid ransoms, i know - and i mean know - that the UK, if through unofficial channels, does the same. i'm given to understand that everyone else does as well. if you've got a live hostage back, you've paid someone, simple as that.

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    Whereas the British use force to release British hostages held in Iraq - such as the time when the British Army flattened a jail with some tanks to release the Brits held inside - the more cowardly French, Germans and Italians PAY the hostage-takers money to release French, German and Italian prisoners.
    Why include this incident as hostage taking? The two men involved were special forces who had been captured by allegedly friendly Iraq forces while "undercover" (as far as the story has ever been clear) They were more prisoners of war than "hostages" - the term hostage implies that they were being held for some kind of ransom. More likely, they would have been killed out hand by a mob which is why the British army acted.

    Anyway, why do you think that the most recent British hostage was rescued with no guards around? I doubt they were out shopping. Paid off and a nice propaganda coup for the Brits to boot more likely. Else, why were the hostages alive? Concern for human rights?

    Save your Daily Telegraph and Times updates - if anyone wanted to read them then they can do it whenever they chose. Save your half-baked vitriol and attempt to understand the political and situational realities before spouting forth.
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    The only ransom I want paid for me is in the form of 2000 pound bombs...
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    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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    Say that when someone is about to cut off your mother's head... hate to put it that offensively...
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    Quote Originally Posted by troung
    Say that when someone is about to cut off your mother's head... hate to put it that offensively...
    You don't know my mother. She wouldn't want to be the cause of the deaths of others, and would rather die herself. The rest of my close family is about the same, but then, they're the ones that taught me...
    No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
    I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
    even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
    He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry

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