Top 5 Best Trained Infantry - Page 3

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-17-2005, 00:31 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

As a total force package with all that they can bring to bear rated for effectivness(IMO, of course):

Light Forces:

1) US Airborne Rangers
2) UK Gurkha
3) UK Royal Marine Commando
4) US Army 101st Airborne
5) US Army light infantry

Don't know if they can be compared together. The Rangers operate in company. The Brits operate in battalion level operations. And your last two reference are brigade and division. Admittingly, the Rangers and the Brits can insert themselves quite nicely into 4 and 5 but the reverse is definetely not true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Heavy Forces:

1) Any US Army heavy mechanized division
2) USMC Infantry
3) UK Mech Infantry
4) Israeli Mech Infantry
5) German Mech Infantry

Overall title:

Any US Army mechanized infantry division(by far)

Let's be real here. Any US Army Inf Div (Mech) - over the rest combined.

Anon · 09-17-2005, 00:34 AM

"Don't know if they can be compared together. The Rangers operate in company. The Brits operate in battalion level operations. And your last two reference are brigade and division. Admittingly, the Rangers and the Brits can insert themselves quite nicely into 4 and 5 but the reverse is definetely not true."

Take a Bn out of any of those units.

Rangers are fully trained for Bn sized ops, and US Army/Marine Infantry units are also primarily operated in Bn sized elements, though of course it would normally be as part of a Bde or Div effort.

Support them as they'd actually be supported in real conflict, and face them off.

The rankings reflect my opinion of how the fight would come out most of the time. Of course, it's just my opinion.

JG73 · 09-17-2005, 00:40 AM

I agree in what you said. The US has the most advanced technologies and materials. But in nower days we're all partners. And if Gerhard (Schröder) calls George for to get 2 or 3 B52s because german KSK has found some terrorists in some caves at Hindukusch George will send them there.

Edit:
O.k. I'm going to sleep now. In Germany the sun has raised two hours ago and I've got to wake up at least untill 3.30p.m. to watch a german soccerleague game.
Whooaaaa.........it's a good life to be a student.

See ya tomorrow/today

Anon · 09-17-2005, 00:46 AM

"And if Gerhard (Schröder) calls George for to get 2 or 3 B52s because german KSK has found some terrorists in some caves at Hindukusch George will send them there."

You bet your ass!

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-17-2005, 00:48 AM

And if Chirac should call, 2 or 3 B52s would also be on their way ... to where he's calling from?

JG73 · 09-17-2005, 00:55 AM

On Sunday there are elections in Germany and I hope CDU wins and coalates with FDP. Then Angela Merkel is cancellor and I think Goerge would do everything for a lady.

Blademaster · 09-17-2005, 00:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

When SOF operate as part of a team, ie the reconaisance, then they're expected to guide the main force onto the enemy be that force a tank battalion or a B52 bombing run. That's where the differences between the various countries are really noticeable. NATO SOF were trained to guide B52s onto tank columns. The Israelis did not ... and do not.

How hard it can be? Just give the GPS coordinates of where the tank column is and give the best possible coordinates of where they are headed in a given time.

JG73 · 09-17-2005, 00:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

And if Chirac should call, 2 or 3 B52s would also be on their way ... to where he's calling from?

Anon · 09-17-2005, 00:59 AM

I can tell you first hand that advance reconaissance is a bit more complicated than that Blademaster.

Blademaster · 09-17-2005, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

I can tell you first hand that advance reconaissance is a bit more complicated than that Blademaster.

Then can you describe it for me?

lemontree · 09-17-2005, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

Then can you describe it for me?

Insertion of 3/4 man teams into enemy territory (by foot) that are self contained for 3 days. That would mean an OP location at max 10 km away from own forward defences. At those ranges the enemy tanks would be in sqn str strength. It is very diffcicult to analyse the situation as seen on ground by the individual teams. The analysis is done at the HQ from info recieved by all the recce teams.

lemontree · 09-17-2005, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M21Sniper

As a total force package with all that they can bring to bear rated for effectivness(IMO, of course):

Light Forces:

1) US Airborne Rangers
2)
3)
4) US Army 101st Airborne
5) US Army light infantry

Excluding the Gurkhas and RM, what is the adm back up of the troops. Like cook houses?

**TopHatter** · 09-17-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

Excluding the Gurkhas and RM, what is the adm back up of the troops. Like cook houses?

A man with his mind on important business

Speaking of which, I think I'll go raid the fridge....

Anon · 09-17-2005, 12:20 PM

"Excluding the Gurkhas and RM, what is the adm back up of the troops. Like cook houses?"

The 75th Rangers have a very small logistical tail, the 101st actually has a huge logistical tail(bigger even than a mech div), a typical US Army light infantry division has a much smaller tail.

As far as total consumption of supplies etc, i'd really have to look it up- if i could even find the info on line.

giggs88 · 09-17-2005, 20:38 PM

Snipe, are there any reasons you happened choose the 101st instead of say....the 82nd? Just curious.

09-17-2005, 00:40 AM	#33 (permalink)
JG73 Contributor Join Date: 09-16-05 Location: Germany Posts: 484 Country:	I agree in what you said. The US has the most advanced technologies and materials. But in nower days we're all partners. And if Gerhard (Schröder) calls George for to get 2 or 3 B52s because german KSK has found some terrorists in some caves at Hindukusch George will send them there. Edit: O.k. I'm going to sleep now. In Germany the sun has raised two hours ago and I've got to wake up at least untill 3.30p.m. to watch a german soccerleague game. Whooaaaa.........it's a good life to be a student. See ya tomorrow/today Last edited by JG73 : 09-17-2005 at 00:56 AM.

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09-17-2005, 00:34 AM	#32 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"Don't know if they can be compared together. The Rangers operate in company. The Brits operate in battalion level operations. And your last two reference are brigade and division. Admittingly, the Rangers and the Brits can insert themselves quite nicely into 4 and 5 but the reverse is definetely not true." Take a Bn out of any of those units. Rangers are fully trained for Bn sized ops, and US Army/Marine Infantry units are also primarily operated in Bn sized elements, though of course it would normally be as part of a Bde or Div effort. Support them as they'd actually be supported in real conflict, and face them off. The rankings reflect my opinion of how the fight would come out most of the time. Of course, it's just my opinion.

09-17-2005, 00:46 AM	#34 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"And if Gerhard (Schröder) calls George for to get 2 or 3 B52s because german KSK has found some terrorists in some caves at Hindukusch George will send them there." You bet your ass!

09-17-2005, 00:48 AM	#35 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 15,917 Country:	And if Chirac should call, 2 or 3 B52s would also be on their way ... to where he's calling from?

09-17-2005, 00:55 AM	#36 (permalink)
JG73 Contributor Join Date: 09-16-05 Location: Germany Posts: 484 Country:	On Sunday there are elections in Germany and I hope CDU wins and coalates with FDP. Then Angela Merkel is cancellor and I think Goerge would do everything for a lady.

09-17-2005, 00:59 AM	#39 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	I can tell you first hand that advance reconaissance is a bit more complicated than that Blademaster.

09-17-2005, 12:20 PM	#44 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"Excluding the Gurkhas and RM, what is the adm back up of the troops. Like cook houses?" The 75th Rangers have a very small logistical tail, the 101st actually has a huge logistical tail(bigger even than a mech div), a typical US Army light infantry division has a much smaller tail. As far as total consumption of supplies etc, i'd really have to look it up- if i could even find the info on line.

09-17-2005, 20:38 PM	#45 (permalink)
giggs88 Banished Join Date: 05-08-05 Posts: 1,061	Snipe, are there any reasons you happened choose the 101st instead of say....the 82nd? Just curious.

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