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Old 01-28-2008, 18:45 PM   #211 (permalink)
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but i'm somewhat hesitant to join in the 'the French are crap' hullaballoo.
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You've been drinking American beer again, haven't you?
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Old 01-28-2008, 20:19 PM   #212 (permalink)
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obviously as an Englishman frog-bashing comes as naturally as breathing, but i'm somewhat hesitant to join in the 'the French are crap' hullaballoo.

yes the Dutch are doing seriously good woork in Helmand-upon-Styx, and they are giving it out big style to our our wooly-faced friends, but let us not fall into the trap of believing that just because you choose not to fight a particular theatre it means you are unable to do so because of a lack of talent.

indeed the basic premise is false, the French have, until very recently, been playing a greater role in the 'anti-AQ' campaign - a US campaign, not a NATO one - than the UK has. that France chooses not to engage in the south is not a military decision, it is a political one (and not one based on a fear of casualties, given France's willingness to conduct military operations in pursuit of its interests worldwide).

those of us who have worked with French forces wouldn't describe them as ill-trained, ill-lead, or indeed anything other than superbly professional. the fact that their firefights don't end up on youtube is not an indicator of their inability to win them.
Granted, but my comments (other than the bit at the end, which was honestly in jest) were more to highlight the skills of the Dutch, than the ineptness of the French.

Just felt like the Dutch were being left out of peoples lists was all, especially when you think of combat experiance, because it seems to have been a while since the French mixed it up.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:32 AM   #213 (permalink)
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"shame there were no allies to fly them alongside the Brits tho ."

Well, that's why it was YOUR finest hour.
True , but we did have a teeny weeny bit of help from the USA Eagle Sqd based in N/Ireland , and the Polish pilots + the Canadians etc etc , but the allies didnt help a lot tho , now where were they when they were needed huh

By the way , there is a street in my home town of Darlington called McMullen road , it was named after a Canadian bomber pilot , who ordered his crew to bail out of his stricken craft , and he stayed at the controls to divert it away from the town , it crashed and killed him about 3 miles away from a fighter sqd based at Middleton St George , which is where Teesside int airport now is, or durham tees valley as they have renamed it , the pilot was based at Dalton on tees , what is now called Croft motor racing circuit . A VERY BRAVE CANADIAN MAN ,,,,,RIP ......... THANKS
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You've been drinking American beer again, haven't you?
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i'd rather drink my own piss.

it has more flavour - and certainly more alcohol.
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"i'd rather drink my own piss.

it has more flavour - and certainly more alcohol."


Drink up, hoss.

Both of you remain clueless about the new realities of American beer courtesy of the multitudes of micro-brews from Boston to Seattle. Local brews full of flavor and punch everywhere.

Colonel, you should know better from your vantage. It's those damn Scots single-malts. A small glass of Makers Mark or Knob Creek and a pint of a nice hand-crafted microbrew will restore the clarity, sir.
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i'd rather drink my own piss.

it has more flavour - and certainly more alcohol.
Sqd bar antics are alive and well i see,
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S-2,

Only if you take a shot of Glenmorangie.
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Small glass, sir. Neat. Let it stand on it's own merits. Not your best, mind you. My untutored palate isn't ready.

Thank you, Colonel.

To the Canadian Army, sir. (S-2 raises glass)

Now. About that beer thingy...
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Small glass, sir. Neat. Let it stand on it's own merits. Not your best, mind you. My untutored palate isn't ready.

Thank you, Colonel.

To the Canadian Army, sir. (S-2 raises glass)
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Captain, a favour then, I will return your glass provided that you give me a primer and what bourbon I should put on my shelf and that I would be proud of and can explain why. What should I look for in tasting a fine bourbon as compared to a bad bourbon. I think I have enough Jack Daniels in me to know a bad bourbon.

Now, about that beer thingy? You ale guy or stout guy?
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I think I have enough Jack Daniels in me to know a bad bourbon.

Now, about that beer thingy? You ale guy or stout guy?
I'm sure some people would disagree with that however it is not one of the worlds finest. I like both stouts and ales. The ale for when a stout is just too heavy.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:18 AM   #222 (permalink)
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Colonel,

"Now, about that beer thingy? You ale guy or stout guy?"

After barking about our improved brews, I confess to Euro-lagers. Stone-cold Pilsner Urquell fan. All damn year. It can work for me in any situation. Unfortunately, I'm the only one I know who drinks it

The micro-brew scene in the states is dominated by stouts, english ales, and IPAs. It's possible, though not especially easy to find a good micro-lager. One worrisome concern is the rising cost of grains is endangering these small, entrepreneurial enterprises. Not especially well-capitalized, price-shocks to the operating costs of many of these is scary. I think somebody had a thread here on it somewhere.

Personally, I am a fan of Jack Daniels. However, it is not a bourbon whiskey. The differences between Kentucky bourbon and Tennessee whiskey are subtle. I'm no expert and have difficulty...no, honestly, I can't functionally separate them qualitatively AT All. However, there are laws of distilling that define the differences. Key is 51%. Bourbon guarantees that 51% of the mash is corn. Tennesee whiskey guarantees 51% of the mash is a grain-corn, barley, rye, etc. J.D., as example, is an 80% corn-dominated mash...but it could have been 80% barley I suppose.

Sir, I'm a poor choice to provide a bourbon recommendation. I've great memories associated with many. I do believe that there are few bad true American whiskies, bourbon or Tennessee sour mash. I disdain blended whiskies utterly. They're pointless as they dilute heritage.

It's immensely difficult for me, as I don't drink my whisky mixed, to not idly consider the history EVERY SINGLE time I enjoy a glass. It's frontier booze, sir. The product is a simple pleasure, distilled simply, from a simple legacy. Easy enough for me to see a Kentucky long rifle leaning in the corner of a cabin somewhere.

Colonel, you keep a number of Scots whiskies for different reasons. Each markedly different to your trained tongue yet so similar. So too with both bourbons and Tennessee sour-mash. Half the fun so often is the exploring. Try this site for some solid ideas-

Small-Batch Bourbon Reviews

A nice quickie on Tennessee sour mash-

"In the world of Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey, there are but two names to remember: Jack Daniels and George Dickel. And perhaps the most recognizable of the two is Jack Daniels -- the whiskey with a Rock 'n Roll personality.

Some people mistakenly call this whiskey a Bourbon. It is NOT a Bourbon whiskey.


Old Time Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey
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This is an 80 Proof (40% alcohol by volume) Tennessee Whiskey.

Tennessee Whiskey is often confused with Kentucky Bourbon, but there are subtle differences. Bourbon must be made from a mixture of at least 51% corn (it cannot be a straight corn whiskey) with the balance of the mash being from malted barley or other small grains like rye. Tennessee Whiskey works the same equation, requiring that at least 51% of the whiskey must be made from one grain, but it doesn't matter if that grain is corn, wheat or rye.

It so happens that Jack Daniels Old Time Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey is made from about 80% corn mash. Like Kentucky Bourbons, this whiskey is aged in newly charred wood barrels. Unlike Kentucky Bourbons, however, this whiskey is filtered through a 10-to-12 foot layer of ground up charcoal made from charred sugar maple wood.

The result? A whiskey that that has impurities removed, and a whiskey that benefits from the additional flavoring of sugars that are leeched into the spirit as it passes through the maple charcoal.

Aroma: In the nose, very sweet -- almost sugary.

Color: Dark honey, a golden copper color

Flavor: Vaporous. Fills the senses and the sinuses. First sip will coat your mouth. Progressive sips are smooth, sweet. This is a full-flavored, mellow, and sweet whiskey with a lingering finish and very pleasant warmth.
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Tsk,tsk,tsk.Talk about a meaningless,absolute waste of electronic ink to even get into such a debate. My dads bigger than your dad so I guess our Army is better seems about right.People please. The best Infantry don't die for their Country,they fight for their comrades and the best of all these warriors can be found in every Military cemetery around the world. Who's the best....anybody on my right and left.
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What S2 said.

When I am not quaffing beer (usually a Sam Adams Lager, Yuengling or Leinenkugel Wheat) I will enjoy a JAck and club soda or a Knob Creek neat.

Mass market bourbon? Wild Turkey is not bad.

And as for mass market American beer on a really hot day (95 F degrees......sitting in the bleachers at a baseball game, as soon as you are done working in the yard, etc.) don't turn your nose up at an ice cold Bud.
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may I digress..

Perhaps I am mislead ... It happens; besides I do enjoy a tasty refreshing beverage ... but I came upon this thread due to the "best infantry" bit. It occurred to me that the point of the exercise may have been to shout something inflammatory and then step back, to enjoy the mayhem created ... This reminds me of a similarly childish activity from my child hood: Counting Coup on a hornets nest and then fleeing ... Still fun, isn't it?
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