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zraver

The Myth of Russian invincability is just that a myth. Germany beat Russia in WW1 and forced them to surrender and occupied huge parts of the country and held of England and France.

What many people dont get is that betting agaisnt the US in war is the single msot losing bet in history. Since WW2 America has not been willing tomarch to the sea like we did vs the Confederacy, Germany, and Japan. The modern worlds first Holocaust was on a continetnal scale when America slaughtered 8-11 million native Americans over the course of 100 years.

Even so called America defeats are msnomers. Vietnam, 55,000 American dead vs 1 million North Veitmases losses and a country that is still 3rd world 30 years later. America was also never defeated in the feild in that war. In Iraq the US is aproaching the 3000 mark of men killed vs 30,000 pls dead insurgents. Even if the Americans are forced out by a combination of lack of will to win and politcal softness the Iraqies will ahv elsot a generation of men.

In Afganistan no army since Alexander the Great has taken the country, America did it with almsot no troops on the ground from seven thousand miles away.

In some sort of general European war that involved the invasion of Russia in a total but non-nuclear total war Russia would fold in weeks. Not becuase she wouldnt want to fight but becuase America knows how to go after the guts of anenemy. Power, water, communication, and rail grids would go down. Internet and cyberwarfare attacks would cripple Rusisan C3 assets and Americas deep battle doctrine would isolate,fix, and attrit Russian formations long before they reached the FLOB.

TopHatter

I personally think you're oversimplifying things in your examples, particularly this one
You're ignoring the fact that it was hardly just the United States fighting the Taliban.

urmomma158

I wonder if cyberwarfare can cripple those Pechora and hen house radars?? Can someone answer my question please?

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zraver

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/wo...lity-radar.htm

looks like most of he network has fallen apart and would be useless vs low level stealth bomber or B-1B insertion tactics anyway.

After US airpower crippled the Taliban boyscouts could have occupied the country. The US attack was so devestating it took the Taliban remants 3 years to reform as even a moderate threat vs NATO troops.

urmomma158

^^^Yea there some interesting stuff goign on in the radar industry partivualrly AESA radars. They can take part in cyber warfare,actas jammers, or close range HPM weapons.You can ask highsea for more details because he knows a lot more about radar than anyone else+im having trouble loacting my flashdrive.

zraver

The Americna military is set up to project power globally. This is a capability created in WW2 that no other nation can match. it is if the British Navy in the age of sail and the Imperial Roman legions were suddenly brought upto date and given an airwarfare caapcity jsut as devestating. No country anywhere at anytime has had anything like the war fighting ability of the United States.

This is not a dig on the professional warfighter sof other nations. They are every bit as dedicated and are thouroghly professional, but they do not have the tools that America does. Nor do they have the mindset of America when it comes to war. America is a peace loving and warlike nation at the same time.

Officer of Engineers

Well, that's not true, is it?

The Afghans themselves said the last person to conquer them was old Genghis. Tammerlane did a number on them also. The Soviet march was extremely impressive considering the terrain and they held control for over 10 years.

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zraver

I did not count the Mongols for the simple reaosn that the region was not cultirally independant then, but was a part of the islamic caliphates. Soviet action in the country was not victorious. Sure they could almost occupy any part of the country at will byt they were always forced out of every area but the cities. American and now NATO troops have complete acess anywhere anytime. Although it is true that the Taliban has no Masoud to put in command.

Officer of Engineers

That's the propaganda from the Mujahadeen. Colonels Thomas and Grau (USArmy Retired) did extensive research from both sides. Most of the defeats attributed to the Soviets were actually sufferred by the Afghans fighting for the Soviets themselves.

The link is currently down but the Foreign Military Studies Office has detailed studies of the Soviet Army in Afghanistan.

zraver

Regardless the USSR left in defeat, several Soviet offnesives failed miserably. They almost won until the US started supplying Milan and stingers then the edge decisevly shifted. The Red Army was geared and trained for a conventional war not a mountain guerilla campaign.

Officer of Engineers

I've just gone through my copies of Thomas and Grau. Which offensives are you talking about?

zraver

Ok I will not spell this right but how about any of the 6+ Panjshir offensives

Officer of Engineers

A very, very quick scan (I will read more later) revealled that none of the Soviet columns were ever stopped. The Mujahadeen inflicted losses but they didn't stop any columns. It sounds very much like Tora Bora and the Canadian Operation MEDUSA.

I'll read more to see where they claim Soviet failure.

zraver

Ever wonder why those colums couldnt stop and set up control?