US army vs. Russian army - Page 14

**Officer of Engineers** · 04-24-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RepublicanGuard

The fight will be in Taiwan BTW.

Taiwan got 100 miles of water on their side and that is something not easily overcome (in fact, damned near impossibel with the PLA's current and near-term capaibilities).

Blademaster · 04-24-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

Taiwan got 100 miles of water on their side and that is something not easily overcome (in fact, damned near impossibel with the PLA's current and near-term capaibilities).

I wonder if it is possible to make a human bridge to Taiwan with half a billion people? That way, the CCP would solve its overpopulation problems.

Of course, I am being sarcastic. Just a sample of black humor.

dalem · 04-24-2006, 14:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RepublicanGuard

The fight will be in Taiwan BTW. We will deploy due to European Pressure. We'll lose. Our combat record in Korea against the Chinese hoards is not something we can boast about.

What, we didn't kill enough of them?

-dale

Anon · 04-24-2006, 14:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kNikS

Sometimes I really don't know what's better - your grammar or your analysis. Keep up a good work.

LOL.

**astralis** · 04-24-2006, 14:57 PM

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What, we didn't kill enough of them?

body counts weren't the measure of US victory there.

not that i think republicanguard's "analysis" is exactly spot-on.

American_Raider · 04-29-2006, 14:19 PM

Most of the war examples been talk here are limited warfare, they don't really test the full capability of an Army.

At its high back in the late 80s, Russian Ground Force with their 62,000 tanks, 86,000 AFV & 43,000 Artilleries is a massive & very powerful force to over come.

And now, Russian force is still deploying 21,000 Tanks (most of them are later models T90s, T84s, & T72s), with 25,975 AFV & 15,000+ Artilleries. It's still a a powerful force.

But Current Russian troops are lack of trainning & her economy can't supprot a marjor conflict, mobilizing ground troops can be very difficult.

In a limited conflict with US Army, Russian can hold her own, but is a full scale conventional war, Russian will be defeated.

urmomma158 · 04-29-2006, 16:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Serbianpsyco

The russians have S-300 SAM and S-400SAM plus they are making lots of money through oil currently and t-55s they have are for reserves and they also have the T-72s updated they can updated them a bit more like the serbian m-2001 upgrade package that is equilvent nealry the same as the t-90S and that would be good they also have over 150 mig 29SMTs plus they also have su-30s and there all reviltely modern plus they could always have a big jet fighter force they could always bring out there mig 29Cs and Mig29As out of stoerage. Plus the ameircans would have to have a base to camp from maybe the closest the Ukraine or somewere and they could move close in russia to the base and Scud them.

What is so scary about T55's and S300/400 sams,flankers,and fulcrums.

kNikS · 04-29-2006, 20:18 PM

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Originally Posted by urmomma158

What is so scary about T55's and S300/400 sams,flankers,and fulcrums.

Fortunately, we have you to keep us informed. We all remember the day when you signed in. Thank you.

Garry · 04-30-2006, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by American_Raider

Most of the war examples been talk here are limited warfare, they don't really test the full capability of an Army.

At its high back in the late 80s, Russian Ground Force with their 62,000 tanks, 86,000 AFV & 43,000 Artilleries is a massive & very powerful force to over come.

And now, Russian force is still deploying 21,000 Tanks (most of them are later models T90s, T84s, & T72s), with 25,975 AFV & 15,000+ Artilleries. It's still a a powerful force.

But Current Russian troops are lack of trainning & her economy can't supprot a marjor conflict, mobilizing ground troops can be very difficult.

In a limited conflict with US Army, Russian can hold her own, but is a full scale conventional war, Russian will be defeated.

in my view the opposite. In a limited conflict Russian army will lose to most of the western armies.... even to quite small armies (training & morale).

However on a large scale and conventional war Russia will most probably win. Unfortunatelly to Russians their economy still perfectly fits to millitary needs... Today when so much of US industrial might is moved to Asia, it even has chance to outproduce US in millitary terms. All resources which Russia would need for this are domestic and internal, so war mobilization would yield high rates of arms production.

ps. Hopefully Russian economy is changing and it will soon switch capacities to more butter than guns. Today there are still too much idle capacties for guns

Blademaster · 04-30-2006, 16:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Garry

Today when so much of US industrial might is moved to Asia, it even has chance to outproduce US in millitary terms. All resources which Russia would need for this are domestic and internal, so war mobilization would yield high rates of arms production.

ps. Hopefully Russian economy is changing and it will soon switch capacities to more butter than guns. Today there are still too much idle capacties for guns

I'm sorry but in this case you are deeply wrong. USA is still the mightiest industrial nation in the world. You are mistaking movement of labor to Asia as for a declining of US industrial might. Not so. USA has consistently improved its industrial production efficiency and thus reduced the need for labor force. Moreso, Asia cannot match US in high tech material productions which will matter in the 21st century warfare.

master_fx · 05-02-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by huh_what

Okay... count in the money
But count out the allies (both for US and Russia)... because we're dealing US Army and th Russian Army right now
Americans definately have the quality but Russian qualities in machines are improving.
The US Army currently operates around 10,000 M1s rights now.
BUt Russian concept of quantity over quality still remains.

Right now: Number of tanks in the Russian army:
T-55 - 1200
T-62 MBT - 258
T-64 MBT - 4369
T-72 MBT - 11480
T-80 MBT - 7318
T-90S MBT - 157
PT-76 light armored amphibious tank - 150
They ordered more T-90s.
In addition, the Russian Army consists of 3,615~ rotary wing aircraft and 4,712 fixed wing aircraft

what they still have t-55???

master_fx · 05-02-2006, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by huh_what

By the way, the US Army budget is $70 billion, if I remember correctly.
The budget for the Russian Army is $15 Billion USD.
Thats just a bit over 1/5 of the army budget.

M1A2 abrams cost about 4 million each.
T-90s cost about 2 million each.

What better capabilities does the M1 possess over the T-90?
Is it worth 2 million dollars?

The unrefuel range for a M1 is about 270 miles
The unrefueled range for a T-90 is about 650 km

back to WW2, thats like comparing T-34 to german tiger tank.....

master_fx · 05-02-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

I wonder if it is possible to make a human bridge to Taiwan with half a billion people? That way, the CCP would solve its overpopulation problems.

Of course, I am being sarcastic. Just a sample of black humor.

not anymore, birth control........ tats a stupid humor.......@#$

Blademaster · 05-02-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by master_fx

not anymore, birth control........ tats a stupid humor.......@#$

Well so are claims of PLA being able to take over Taiwan any time they choose to.

master_fx · 05-02-2006, 16:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blademaster

Well so are claims of PLA being able to take over Taiwan any time they choose to.

yea.... anytime we want....

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04-29-2006, 14:19 PM	#201 (permalink)
American_Raider Regular Join Date: 04-17-06 Posts: 61	Most of the war examples been talk here are limited warfare, they don't really test the full capability of an Army. At its high back in the late 80s, Russian Ground Force with their 62,000 tanks, 86,000 AFV & 43,000 Artilleries is a massive & very powerful force to over come. And now, Russian force is still deploying 21,000 Tanks (most of them are later models T90s, T84s, & T72s), with 25,975 AFV & 15,000+ Artilleries. It's still a a powerful force. But Current Russian troops are lack of trainning & her economy can't supprot a marjor conflict, mobilizing ground troops can be very difficult. In a limited conflict with US Army, Russian can hold her own, but is a full scale conventional war, Russian will be defeated.

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