TUSAS1

The Turkish Chief of the General Staff has just announced that a 5000 person team of extra Elite Special Forces will be trained for use soley in the PKK problem areas. They will not be conscript soldiers but professionals. Their training will take 3.5 years long on top of the general military introductory training.

BORDO Bereli units are directly linked to the Office of the Chief of the General Staff. Their use in special Ops requires Turkish Presidential Approval.

REFERENCE: Profesyonel orduda ikinci adým / HABER 3 In Turkish

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Background on the Maroon Berets

The US Navy states that the Turkish Maroon Berets have the same training as their US equivalents and that they both have the "same capabilities".

See "ASSESSMENT AND SELECTION OF PERSONNEL FOR THE TURKISH SPECIAL FORCES COMMAND", by E Kenar, US NAVAL POSTGRADUATE SCHOOL MONTEREY CA, NSN 7540-01-280-5500
Assessment and Selection of Personnel for the Turkish Special Forces Command


Education & Training

There are three categories of education and training that an MB will undergo. These are a. Domestic b. International c. Specialty
Within these three categories, there are 47 different subjects. Domestic training takes 72 weeks of basic training; International training takes 10 to 52 weeks of specialized training in different countries. It takes 3.5 years to become an MB.

These are some of the training and education they have to accomplish before they become an MB. In the domestic period, Maroon Berets undertake training in combat techniques, physical education and fitness, martial arts, identifying-locating, long distance reconnaissance, infiltration, survival, interrogation/anti-interrogation, escape, special operations, psychological operations, hostage/civilian rescue & assistance, airborne operations, VIP protection, arctic warfare, combat diving, and paragliding. In the specialty training phase, prospective MBs can be trained in Explosives, demolitions, medicine, survival and evasion, light and heavy weapons handling, communication, and arsenal termination. During the international phase, MBs focus on special operations training, civil affairs, patrolling, survival, and psychological operations courses.

Trust Shot

The Trust Shot (in Turkish "Gūven Atışı") is a part of the MB's training program. It is exercised on the last month of the training and is to ensure that the soldiers can trust each other with their lives. The Trust Shot consists of two members of a squad standing next to paper target boards, while another member fires on the targets with a handgun while walking towards them from 15 metres (49.2 feet) away. The shooter fires one magazine on each target before handing the weapon to the 2nd shooter behind him. After which the second shooter fires two magazines on the targets and they continue to switch. The second portion of the exercise is almost the same with the exception of being done with a rifle and the shooter starts walking towards the target from 30 metres (98.4 feet) away. During the exercise the men standing next to the targets are not allowed to move or wear body armor.

Specifications and Current Role

MBs are currently involved with operations in Northern Iraq as well as security in the South East of Turkey and other domestic operations. Due to this, they constantly train in anti-terrorism and guerrilla warfare.
Other than this, not much is known due to the group's secretive nature.
Their motto is "We Accomplish Difficult To The İmpossible Soot Some Times Take."

Maroon Beret's Standard Weaponry

AR-15 family of weapons
M203 grenade launcher
Heckler & Koch HK33
Heckler & Koch G3
SVD Dragunov
Heckler & Koch MP5
M249 Squad Automatic Weapon
CheyTac Intervention (.408 Cheyenne Tactical chambering)

Gun Grape

Did you follow the link? Thats not what that link says. In addition that link takes you to the Masters Thesis of a Turkish Officer at the NPS It has nothing to do with what you claim. Read it sometime.




Stupidity is whats thats called. Its an old SAS thing. They stopped after killing someone. Shows and proves nothing.Have them play mumblepeg instead.

Public Enemy

The trust shot is more of a CQB thing, i think it has its uses sycologically.

Gun Grape

Its a stupid show of machismo.

I also hope that those are "Hollywood" photos. Because there are so many basic things that they are not doing its scary.

Public Enemy

Maybe you would like to Point out the "Basic" things there forgetting.

Trust Shot

Public Enemy

Maroon Berets win Special Forces Competition in Germany

Stan187

There is a special forces competition going on Afghanistan as we speak, care to join?

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TUSAS1

I don't need to post essay long articles on the Turkish Maroon Beret as they are accepted as a very potent force by military professionals world wide.

TUSAS1

As the Turkish Chief of the General Staff stated to his US counterpart: "Not even an extra single Turkish soldier will be sent to Afganistan, unless NATO aids Turkey in its own war on Terror".

Do not forget Turkey has 1 truck load full of documentary and Intelligence evidence which proves that the European Union nations are financing the PKK. It was only last week that the US Central Intelligence Agency also released a document explicitly stating that the PKK is financed from Europe.

Also, do you believe fighting the Taliban will prove the efficiency of the Turkish Elite Forces? Because there are many other operations I can list here which will show their efficiency and potency. Don't forget the maroon berets are credited also with the extradition of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan, after receiving intel. that he is living in the Greek Embassy in Kenya.

Gun Grape

I have read the whole thing. When someone here says "Refer to this doc. I download it, read it then comment on it. Lets look back shall we?

Now lets go to the document. 1st its not a US Navy assessment. Its a thesis from a Turkish Student at NPS. The US Navy does not "State that Turkish have the same training as US equivalents"

From pg 2 of the thesis.
So do you have another document to back your claim?

Further on, In the authors words Nothing about "same training as their US equivalents and that they both have the "same capabilities". In fact the paper isn't about the training but a comparison of selection process and how the Turkish Armed Forces can improve.
No stupid just gets you killed. From a former CQB Dynamic entry instructor/CQB range officer.

Don't let national pride blind you of common sense

Gun Grape

Well I never was a member of some "elite" unit or service. But I'll try

Trust Shot


Stupidity and showboating. Intentionally having someone forward of the firing zone.



Hands not cammied or no gloves. Soldier with helmet has goggles on helmet but no cover on them to block glare


Cammie netting used for rifle has a distinct horizontal pattern. Nothing grows horizontal in the wild. Eyes will be drawn to that naturally. Its out of place

The sniper has also taken up a position by a recognizable point. A tree. Thanks for making the directions for my squad to fire easy "Target Sniper ' base of tree at 2 oClock" instead of "He's about 15 meters forward of and 30 meters to the left the tree"

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ooh look at those shiney boots. Hands not cammied, face not properly camouflaged. Cammie should go all the way to the hairline. To include the neck

Soldier to the right has a dangling sling, in addition to the same discrepancies as his buddy. They grab everything. Neither one dummy cords their gear.

Would you like me to critique the first set of pics? Pretty much the same things over and over.

TUSAS1

ooh look at those shiney boots. Hands not cammied, face not properly camouflaged. Cammie should go all the way to the hairline. To include the neck

Soldier to the right has a dangling sling, in addition to the same discrepancies as his buddy. They grab everything. Neither one dummy cords their gear. Again this is from a survival skills training workshop. It is not a training session for covert extraction or infiltration. The Maroon Berets each have their own specialty. These specialties range from medicine to the sabotage of enemy infrastructure. Acording to their specialty and duties their equipment also change. You would appreciate the fact that they wont use snipers during close combat environments. Because it is a survival course, certain things will be taken away from the soldiers. They will then be dropped off by helicopter to a certain area from which they will have to arive at their given destination on time. No heavy weapons. Just a pistol and knife. No uniform. Standard civilian wear.


Would you like me to critique the first set of pics? Pretty much the same things over and over.[/quote]

2004 Special Forces Competition- 1st Place: Turkish Bordo Bereli Unit 2nd Place: Delta Forces


Some of the different uniforms and equipment used


Very High Altitude Jump Qualified Maroon Berets


Two Maroon Beret (In their capacity as close protection for Turkish First Family-this case the First Lady)


Actual footage of the Turkish Maroon Berets taken during the Kardak (Imia) Crisis from the Agean
Note the fool camo suited to the topography of the island.


On Roof-Top along side the route being used by the Turkish President.


VVIP Hostage Rescue Training


Assigned as Close Protection to General Yasar Buyukanit, Chief of the Turkish General Staff


Assigned here as Close Protection Security for His Excellency Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, NATO Secretary-General
http://www.nato.int/pictures/2004/040626b/b040626m.jpg

Gun Grape

They washed the cammie paint off their hands? I might buy that they took gloves off.
I don’t buy that the kid took the cover off his goggles. Glint kills.

Those soldiers are sure clean to have come off an op. Looks like a dog and pony show.

And that doesn’t blend in at all.

Bullcrap. Show me a 2000 meter kill. There have been 2 of them in the history of sniping. Snipers operate in the 500-1000 meter range at the far end.

At 500 meters that bad cammie will catch my eye. Especially if I’m scanning the area with binos.


You fight how you train. Every time we went to the field, we were cammied. If it was for a land navigation course or an actual FTX. Noise discipline, light discipline, cammie discipline all the time.

. Then they are wasting a valuable tool.


In ours, no weapons and there are a number of “pocket items” that you are allowed to have. Why would they not train to survive in their combat uniform? Do they plan on getting lost on Libo?

Here is an idea.Quit posting pictures that you have no clue about and doing a disservice to the forces of Turkey. Allow the people that have knowledge about such things make the arguments. UCar would be a good one.

I know that most of those pictures were staged or that the individuals were not in a training environment. So I decided to pick to see if you would admit it. But no these are the great Turkish Special Forces and there is "No shame in their game". Same with your pic of Maroon berets with "Delta Force". That may be many things, those guys are not Delta Force.

TUSAS1

I am not claiming that the Turkish Special Forces are the best in the world. I am simply proving that they are a potent force that gets the job done. Firstly, they don't use cammo pain on their hands. They use gloves.

Secondly, I showed you footage of the Maroon Berets in operation. But you chose to ignore it. Probably, because it refuted all your claims as to them being "holywood artists".

You can clearly see that they are in camo from head to toe.

Thridly, when do soldiers have gogles on when there superior officer is debriefing them? You can also see from the picture that there are teams in the background securing the area.

ALL THIS ASIDE DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT NATO'S SECOND LARGEST CONTINGENT IS THIRD-WORLD?

If the Turks were "holywood actors" why does the Israeli Commando's get their training in Turkey for?

See KeHaber WebGlocal News (In Turkish)[/b]

US Green Berets have also trained at Bolu in the past

I'm not saying this. Page 233 of the book titled "NATO's Secret Armies" by Daniele Ganser is saying this.

See for online version of this book. NATO's Secret Armies - Google Book Search

By the way, the Turkish Special Forces training is either in conformity with or exceeds U.S. Army FM 31/16" (contra-guerrilla operations), "U.S. Army Special Warfare School" (contra-guerrilla tactics and techniques), "FM 31/20" (special forces operational techniques), "FM 31/21 Special Forces Operations" (ST urban assignments, 31/21 guerrilla warfare and special forces operations ), "FM 31/21 A. Special Forces Operations (U) standards.

It is amazing how hard and desperately you try to refute any factual information, which proves anything Turkish to be up to Western standards. I for one can draw alot of inferences from this alone. I have actually looked at alot of posts on this forum, and whenever someone trys to post something which belongs to any country in the Middle East or Mediteranian, the same people try desperately to either refute or reject the information provided. I have also seen that alot of people who post information about the Turkish Armed Forces have "banished" next to their profiles. Talk about "fair go". You are not the only individuals here that are educated in their respective fields. Some of you even go to the extreme of trying to question the validity of a thesis writen by a Post-graduate Turkish origined student at the US Navy War College. Despite the fact that such thesis is supervised by 4 American officiers who are experts on Turkish Defence. It is about time some of you also do a bit of self-critizing as well.

I have been on here for lest than 2 weeks and rather than feeling welcome I feel confronted.

I think the only neutral member of this forum is Ucar and Stan, and I thank them for their insight and opinion. They are not motivated by personal bias and also appreciate when something is done properly and good.

Officer of Engineers

I've had it. Get this through your head. The term Military Professional meant we have served. What you posted is pure baloney trying to impress us who knows a lot better.

You are a cheerleader. Nothing more. Take a week to think this through.

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