Turkish Land Forces increasing the number of Elite Forces - Page 2

Stan187 · 05-05-2008, 17:02 PM

Your articles themselves explain why the Israelis seek to train in Turkey, it does not often snow in Israel, but they still have to be ready for alpine warfare if it does snow. Not to mention that training IN Turkey does not mean that they're being taught by your faultless and vaunted Maroon Berets. I don't fault you for your nationalism, but please do keep it within the bounds of sanity and reason, and quit the showboating, no one is impressed.

**TopHatter** · 05-05-2008, 19:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TUSAS1

I have been on here for lest than 2 weeks and rather than feeling welcome I feel confronted.

Do you think maybe there is a reason for that?

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Originally Posted by TUSAS1

I think the only neutral member of this forum is Ucar and Stan, and I thank them for their insight and opinion. They are not motivated by personal bias and also appreciate when something is done properly and good.

You've been here for less than two weeks, made an ass out of yourself, and you feel qualified to claim that only 2 members are "neutral"?

If you're a day over 25 years old I'll be shocked.

TTL · 05-06-2008, 10:15 AM

I am no expert about infantry tactics but I want to ask about the Trust Shot practice, why do you think it is so stupid? The risks seem obvious but afterall those in special forces aren't doing the safest job in the world and it seems psychologically useful. Also is it really that dangerous if the shooter is trained and experienced enough?

Ucar · 05-06-2008, 11:02 AM

Here are my thoughts on this subject. Even though it is presented as a team spirit building ability, and practice, Trust Shot is a display of machoism; of manliness. It is highly likely to lead to training casualties which will result in the loss of extremely well trained personnel wasting valuable resources, and time invested in training aside from personal grievences.

Aside from special forces personnel, in such a culture as Turkish, where manliness and patriotism is encouraged to extreme degrees, Trust Shot practice is taken over by regular recruits as well. This can be observed in some commando units, building on the "commandos are superhuman" ethos in the society, where regular recruits start to establish their own Trust Shot routine. Naturally, this allows us to view the damage a G-3 can deliver to a human torso/head from 10 m. range.

Big K · 05-06-2008, 11:32 AM

what is the "Trust Shot" ???

edit: i' ve seen it. i find it very unnecessary...

btw,

i think that these pics. may be taken for some sort of "catalogue" or marketing activities?

S-2 · 05-06-2008, 11:44 AM

"what is the "Trust Shot" ???"

A gross error of judgement to little purpose when successful and at great cost when not.

VarSity · 05-06-2008, 11:46 AM

The British SAS do trust shots... well they have half the members of the anti terror squad inside the killing house (being the hostages) as the other half breaches it.

uha1 · 05-07-2008, 00:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

I've had it. Get this through your head. The term Military Professional meant we have served. What you posted is pure baloney trying to impress us who knows a lot better.

You are a cheerleader. Nothing more. Take a week to think this through.

hah! And how did you conclude that? I guess you are the cheer leader in this talk. people are discussing something, and you are criticizing people.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-07-2008, 00:22 AM

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Originally Posted by uha1

hah! And how did you conclude that? I guess you are the cheer leader in this talk. people are discussing something, and you are criticizing people.

Because you troll, I have served.

05-05-2008, 17:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
Stan187 WAB BOUNCER *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-24-06 Posts: 2,152 Country:	Your articles themselves explain why the Israelis seek to train in Turkey, it does not often snow in Israel, but they still have to be ready for alpine warfare if it does snow. Not to mention that training IN Turkey does not mean that they're being taught by your faultless and vaunted Maroon Berets. I don't fault you for your nationalism, but please do keep it within the bounds of sanity and reason, and quit the showboating, no one is impressed. __________________ In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158 The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea

05-06-2008, 11:32 AM	#20 (permalink)
Big K HürGeneral *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 12-11-06 Location: Istanbul Posts: 1,025 Country:	what is the "Trust Shot" ??? edit: i' ve seen it. i find it very unnecessary... btw, i think that these pics. may be taken for some sort of "catalogue" or marketing activities? __________________ When i say, there will be no effect but i am not willing to remain silent. -Fuzuli Last edited by Big K : 05-06-2008 at 11:40 AM.

05-06-2008, 11:44 AM	#21 (permalink)
S-2 *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-11-06 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 1,924 Country:	Big K Reply "what is the "Trust Shot" ???" A gross error of judgement to little purpose when successful and at great cost when not. __________________ "This aggression will not stand, man!" Jeff Lebowski

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05-06-2008, 10:15 AM	#18 (permalink)
TTL New Member Join Date: 10-20-07 Location: ANKARA Posts: 18 Country:	I am no expert about infantry tactics but I want to ask about the Trust Shot practice, why do you think it is so stupid? The risks seem obvious but afterall those in special forces aren't doing the safest job in the world and it seems psychologically useful. Also is it really that dangerous if the shooter is trained and experienced enough?

05-06-2008, 11:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
Ucar *Military Professional* Join Date: 06-19-07 Posts: 292 Country:	Here are my thoughts on this subject. Even though it is presented as a team spirit building ability, and practice, Trust Shot is a display of machoism; of manliness. It is highly likely to lead to training casualties which will result in the loss of extremely well trained personnel wasting valuable resources, and time invested in training aside from personal grievences. Aside from special forces personnel, in such a culture as Turkish, where manliness and patriotism is encouraged to extreme degrees, Trust Shot practice is taken over by regular recruits as well. This can be observed in some commando units, building on the "commandos are superhuman" ethos in the society, where regular recruits start to establish their own Trust Shot routine. Naturally, this allows us to view the damage a G-3 can deliver to a human torso/head from 10 m. range.

05-06-2008, 11:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
VarSity Contributor Join Date: 06-11-07 Location: Leicester Posts: 397 Country:	The British SAS do trust shots... well they have half the members of the anti terror squad inside the killing house (being the hostages) as the other half breaches it.

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