Pictures from Turkey's National Tank Program - Page 2

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-29-2008, 13:51 PM

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Originally Posted by S-2

Sergeant Major,

Sounds like an immediate suppression mission to me. If you've a pre-planned target that's prioritized near that ATGW bad-boy, I'll have a round there in 30 seconds. Good adjustment out of that and we'll have steel on target by the second round.

Dreadnought.

let the games begin .............as my hero Maximus replied when the range of his "Arty" v his AoA of his Cav was pointed out......."the range is good".........I get your point S-2 another potential long and never ending debate

dave lukins · 03-29-2008, 17:30 PM

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Originally Posted by S-2

Sergeant Major,

Sounds like an immediate suppression mission to me. If you've a pre-planned target that's prioritized near that ATGW bad-boy, I'll have a round there in 30 seconds. Good adjustment out of that and we'll have steel on target by the second round.

Dreadnought.

30 seconds Captain. Are you finishing your dinner first.

S-2 · 03-29-2008, 20:44 PM

"Captain. Are you finishing your dinner first."

That WAS my intention. Do you wish me to also pull the lanyard?

dave lukins · 03-29-2008, 20:50 PM

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Originally Posted by S-2

"Captain. Are you finishing your dinner first."

That WAS my intention. Do you wish me to also pull the lanyand?

With the left hand so's not to spill a drop. After all Port is to savour, not to rush

Now pass it to the left if you please

dhalfcast · 03-29-2008, 21:12 PM

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Originally Posted by T_igger_cs_30

I do still find it very interesting the development of MBT's, simply due to my back ground, the the battle field is continually evolving especially in the area of ATGW which are very much concentrating on the The tank's most vulnerable spot, the top, ....these top attack capable ATGW sighted in well orchestrated matrix's and in sufficient numbers are seriously able to curtail the movement and effectiveness of the MBT

Yes, but we also see that for every 4 tanks, there is also a low-altitude and/or medium altitude Air Defence system attached. Turkey utilises the ASELSAN Zipkin or Atilgan systems for this.

ZIPKIN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System
Aselsan.com.tr - ZIPKIN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System

ATILGAN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System
Aselsan.com.tr - ATILGAN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System

These systems have also been exported to Holland.

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-29-2008, 21:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dhalfcast

Yes, but we also see that for every 4 tanks, there is also a low-altitude and/or medium altitude Air Defence system attached. Turkey utilises the ASELSAN Zipkin or Atilgan systems for this.

ZIPKIN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System
Aselsan.com.tr - ZIPKIN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System

ATILGAN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System
Aselsan.com.tr - ATILGAN Pedestal Mounted Stinger System

These systems have also been exported to Holland.

Isnt defence industry sales pitches wonderful

T_igger_cs_30 · 03-29-2008, 21:29 PM

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Originally Posted by S-2

"Captain. Are you finishing your dinner first."

That WAS my intention. Do you wish me to also pull the lanyand?

Now Cap''n just how you going to do that with a glass of port in one hand a cigar in the other............now as Dave said please pass the port

S-2 · 03-29-2008, 22:24 PM

"Now pass it to the left if you please..."

Um...gentlemen, my pleasure.

I'm actually off to the kitchen for a small taste of Maker's Mark.

Oh! That suppression mission? Tell your tankies it's on the way...

dark-alias · 03-30-2008, 00:39 AM

Nice deterent if your the "kurds" i guess.

dhalfcast · 03-30-2008, 02:28 AM

Guys you are forgetting about Active Protection Systems (APS), which almost every modern tank utilizes or is in the process of utilizing.

Turkey's National Tank, like all 21st century tank decelopments will incorporate both a Soft Kill and Hard Kill system for close protection against ATGW's.

Hence, I think the ATGW threat is being blown out of proportion.

By the way, the Turks are considering something similar to the Israeli IRON FIST for its hard kill protection system.

dhalfcast · 03-30-2008, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dark-alias

Nice deterent if your the "kurds" i guess.

The PKK (not the Kurds, we have nothing against the race), is the least of Ankara's worries. Surely, NATO's second largest army is not only for the PKK.

fitz · 03-30-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dhalfcast

Yes, but we also see that for every 4 tanks, there is also a low-altitude and/or medium altitude Air Defence system attached. Turkey utilises the ASELSAN Zipkin or Atilgan systems for this.

For every tank platoon there is an SP SAM system?

What the hell for? Seems rather wasteful don't you think? Since Turkey has something close to 3,000 tanks last time I checked (not all active I'm sure) that means they have something like 750 of these systems in service?

Stan187 · 03-30-2008, 15:48 PM

No Vulcan on those vehicles? I wonder why, seems like it could come in handy.

dhalfcast · 03-30-2008, 22:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fitz

For every tank platoon there is an SP SAM system?

What the hell for? Seems rather wasteful don't you think? Since Turkey has something close to 3,000 tanks last time I checked (not all active I'm sure) that means they have something like 750 of these systems in service?

There are 2400 Active Tanks. The rest are in storage. In relation to the ZIPKIN and ATILGAN Pedestal Mounted Stinger Systems, not all of them are yet operational. They are still being produced. Some have been exported to Holland.

Furthermore, a 12.5mm Gun will be incorporated into the Low altitude defence systems. The gun is a joint project between FNSS of Turkey and BAE Systems.

The current Tank inventory is as follows:
0 MİTÜP Turkish National Tank Project (a total of 1000 (option for 2000) new MBTs will be produced)
298 Leopard 2A4
77 Leopard 1A3T1/TU120
150 Leopard 1A3T1
166 Leopard 1T (under Volkan Tank Improvement Project)[2][3]
170 M60T (under M60 Tank Modernization Project)[4][5][6]
650 M60A3 TTS
105 M60A1 RISE Passive
750 M 48A5T2 (upgraded to M 60A3 Standard)
600 M 48A5T1 (upgraded to M 60A1 Standard)
100+ M 48T5 (upgraded and converted to ARVs)
1200+ M 48A5 (in reserve)

dhalfcast · 03-31-2008, 04:32 AM

More pictures of the Turkish MBT designs lurking around.....

This is another (below) picture of one of the demonstrator designs done by Otokars design team (The Company in charge of the design of the National Tank Program)....

But again it remains to be seen, what infact will be chosen and whether or not any of the current designs will be chosen....

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S-2 *Military Professional* Join Date: 09-11-06 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,057 Country:	Lukins & T_igger_cs_30 Reply "Now pass it to the left if you please..." Um...gentlemen, my pleasure. I'm actually off to the kitchen for a small taste of Maker's Mark. Oh! That suppression mission? Tell your tankies it's on the way...

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Stan187 WAB BOUNCER *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-24-06 Posts: 2,283 Country:	No Vulcan on those vehicles? I wonder why, seems like it could come in handy. __________________ In Iran people belive pepsi stands for pay each penny save israel. -urmomma158 The Russian Navy is still a threat, but only to those unlucky enough to be Russian sailors.-highsea

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03-30-2008, 00:39 AM	#24 (permalink)
dark-alias *Military Professional* Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: California Posts: 219 Country:	Nice deterent if your the "kurds" i guess.

03-30-2008, 02:28 AM	#25 (permalink)
dhalfcast Regular Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: Between London and Istanbul Posts: 25 Country:	Guys you are forgetting about Active Protection Systems (APS), which almost every modern tank utilizes or is in the process of utilizing. Turkey's National Tank, like all 21st century tank decelopments will incorporate both a Soft Kill and Hard Kill system for close protection against ATGW's. Hence, I think the ATGW threat is being blown out of proportion. By the way, the Turks are considering something similar to the Israeli IRON FIST for its hard kill protection system.

03-31-2008, 04:32 AM	#30 (permalink)
dhalfcast Regular Join Date: 03-28-08 Location: Between London and Istanbul Posts: 25 Country:	More pictures of the Turkish MBT designs lurking around..... This is another (below) picture of one of the demonstrator designs done by Otokars design team (The Company in charge of the design of the National Tank Program).... But again it remains to be seen, what infact will be chosen and whether or not any of the current designs will be chosen....

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