M2/M3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle - Page 6

Doomarias · 05-16-2008, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple C

Didn't know Bradley can swim.

Tactical question: How do you control your dismounts divided into nine men squads, when the IFV holds seven?

Well the bradly used to swim cant anymore, it requires a skirt kinda like a sherman duplux drive from d day. As for the second question Id like to know as well.

fitz · 05-16-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doomarias

Well the bradly used to swim cant anymore, it requires a skirt kinda like a sherman duplux drive from d day. As for the second question Id like to know as well.

The answer is probably here:

FM 3-21.71 Chapter 1

Triple C · 05-16-2008, 15:26 PM

I have already read it. The problem is that members of a squad are split between 2 IFVs. How are you going to command them as a platoon, if you are forced to dismount less than one full squad at a time, with members of squad 2 mixed with squad 1, and squad 2 with squad 2, etc?

Stan187 · 05-16-2008, 17:59 PM

Why not just make squads 7 people instead? That seems more suitable for the situation.

Gun Grape · 05-16-2008, 21:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple C

Didn't know Bradley can swim.

Tactical question: How do you control your dismounts divided into nine men squads, when the IFV holds seven?

It can be difficult. Thats why the Marine Corps uses the larger AAV-7.

But we all know that they SHOULD be in AmphibiGavins.
What do you expect from a group that is

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full-of-excuses-to-not-mechanize worship-thy-self USMC false religion, brainwashed, egocult which has no hope of reform and should be disbanded completely.

From a post on his LAV3STRYKERFUBAR2 yahoo group.

Plenty of entertainment on that site. And you don't need to join to read the messages.

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Read some of the post there. He lives in a different world.

Albany Rifles · 05-16-2008, 22:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple C

Didn't know Bradley can swim.

Tactical question: How do you control your dismounts divided into nine men squads, when the IFV holds seven?

The squad is 9 men, 3 vehicle crew and 6 dismounts in a single vehicle. In the PL & SL in turrets...leaders take place when they dismount.

Each squad in a vehicle and PLT HQ in its own. 4 vehciles per PLT.

Squads do not get split across 2vehicles

Triple C · 05-17-2008, 04:49 AM

So, essentially, a squad is a fireteam of six in an IFV.

The Appendix A of the FM says,

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The BFV platoon has three rifle squads. Each rifle squad consists of two four-man fire teams and a squad leader (Figure A-2) and has a command launch unit for the Javelin and an M240B machine gun. Two riflemen in the squad are trained and qualified on the M240B—one as the gunner and the other as assistant gunner. Three nine-man squads make up the platoon's dismounted element.

Are the writers being obtuse, or do they include the crew in the dismount element?

**TopHatter** · 05-17-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Gun Grape

But we all know that they SHOULD be in AmphibiGavins.

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troung · 05-17-2008, 13:34 PM

Dammit TH you egomanicallameassedlightistisloser you FORGOT...

The CavGavin - carries nine riders and their horses. Riders wear dragonskin, sabers, lances and carry HK-416 carbines, horses wear dragon skin armor for protection, CavGavin carries dual 106mm RRs and an 120mm mortar to support charges.

The MortarGavin - 240mm mortar mounted in the rear and a dismount 160mm knee mortar for light work.

The LagerGavin - movable fortress to repel hostile Zulus and allow infantry to shoot through port holes at oncoming tribes. Special protection from spears.

The TaborGavin - movable fortress to repel hostile Turks/Tatars and allow infantry to shoot through port holes at oncoming cavalry. Can fire square bullets to make the Turks suffer more.

The FireSupportGavin - two dual 16 inch cannons for close support missions.

**Officer of Engineers** · 05-17-2008, 18:24 PM

Wait a minute? How do we get butter cookies and chocolate milk?

Doomarias · 05-17-2008, 19:36 PM

Well thought you guys would find this cool I have an old worlds armies book from 1979(just 7 more years till im born woot) and it has the bradley.

listed as XM723

"Notes: known also as the infantry fighting vehicle/cavalry fighting vehicle or fighting vehicle system, the XM723 has been under development since 1972. In the opening monthis of 1978, however, it was decided by the US army no to go ahead with procurement of the type pending a decision on the vehicles role and the cost effectiveness, already brought into question by the congress in 1977. It may yet be decided to press on with definitive development of the XM723, or build a new micv using the chassis of the XM-1 mbt."

OMG the m2/m3 bradley is going to be canceled for the new m1 abrams based apc

.

B.Smitty · 05-17-2008, 23:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albany Rifles

The squad is 9 men, 3 vehicle crew and 6 dismounts in a single vehicle. In the PL & SL in turrets...leaders take place when they dismount.

Each squad in a vehicle and PLT HQ in its own. 4 vehciles per PLT.

Squads do not get split across 2vehicles

I've always wondered about this. The loading plan in FM 3-21.71 shows squads split across vehicles,

Fm 3-21.71 APPENDIX A

Did everyone just go away from this? It always seemed like a bad idea to me. (but what do I know)

Albany Rifles · 05-20-2008, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.Smitty

I've always wondered about this. The loading plan in FM 3-21.71 shows squads split across vehicles,

Fm 3-21.71 APPENDIX A

Did everyone just go away from this? It always seemed like a bad idea to me. (but what do I know)

Well, the doctrine may have changed.

And we were never manend at 100% so we put PSG in junior SL track as BC.

All three squads were in their own vehicle.

05-16-2008, 15:26 PM	#78 (permalink)
Triple C Contributor Join Date: 04-10-06 Posts: 683	I have already read it. The problem is that members of a squad are split between 2 IFVs. How are you going to command them as a platoon, if you are forced to dismount less than one full squad at a time, with members of squad 2 mixed with squad 1, and squad 2 with squad 2, etc? __________________ What benefits the body is called medicine; what benefits the soul, discipline. -Augustine of Hippo

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troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,236 Country:	Dammit TH you egomanicallameassedlightistisloser you FORGOT... The CavGavin - carries nine riders and their horses. Riders wear dragonskin, sabers, lances and carry HK-416 carbines, horses wear dragon skin armor for protection, CavGavin carries dual 106mm RRs and an 120mm mortar to support charges. The MortarGavin - 240mm mortar mounted in the rear and a dismount 160mm knee mortar for light work. The LagerGavin - movable fortress to repel hostile Zulus and allow infantry to shoot through port holes at oncoming tribes. Special protection from spears. The TaborGavin - movable fortress to repel hostile Turks/Tatars and allow infantry to shoot through port holes at oncoming cavalry. Can fire square bullets to make the Turks suffer more. The FireSupportGavin - two dual 16 inch cannons for close support missions. __________________ To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway

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05-17-2008, 19:36 PM	#86 (permalink)
Doomarias Regular Join Date: 05-15-08 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 56 Country:	Well thought you guys would find this cool I have an old worlds armies book from 1979(just 7 more years till im born woot) and it has the bradley. listed as XM723 "Notes: known also as the infantry fighting vehicle/cavalry fighting vehicle or fighting vehicle system, the XM723 has been under development since 1972. In the opening monthis of 1978, however, it was decided by the US army no to go ahead with procurement of the type pending a decision on the vehicles role and the cost effectiveness, already brought into question by the congress in 1977. It may yet be decided to press on with definitive development of the XM723, or build a new micv using the chassis of the XM-1 mbt." OMG the m2/m3 bradley is going to be canceled for the new m1 abrams based apc.

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