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If this is a true report

Half-trained troops to fight the Taleban - Times Online

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Officer of Engineers

Same crap, different bowl. I remember we (both the Brits and us) had the same problem with our reserves during UNPROFOR. We merely shifted the training to in theatre.

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"'There is no question of training being compromised.'” However, she added: “'We have adapted our training in terms of our operational requirement and we’re taking action in terms of the manning challenges.'”

Yes. They're "taking action in terms of the manning challenges". However, to suggest that training of 28 weeks cut to 14 isn't a "compromise[d]" is ludicrous. Of course it is. If everything taught in 28 weeks could be taught in 14, that's the way it would always have been done.

This is serious change for the worse. How it can be viewed differently, I'm unsure.

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And we have always done so, but does it make it right? I just love the term "adapted our training" It doesn't take size 10s in hats to work that one out.

"Hello passengers this is your Pilot speaking, by the way I've only finished half my training...do feel free to PANIC"

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Never having been a commissioned member of ... well yeah,
Also, I'm not clear on what training is being "cut". I do recall that new arrivals required theatre specific training at once ... Especially Officers who (some of whom I'm forced to admit, were outstanding) Had little idea of the capabilities or limitations of the assets at their disposal.
So ... what training is being cut.
My point is that some training cannot and should not be cut, while other "trainings" cannot be administered with out knowledge of the particular conditions to be encountered.
A fantastic step is the employment of experienced troops, state side... Preparing soldiers for the environment they will be placed in.
I don't know exactly what this training consists of, but I do recall that new guys have a special knack of doing everything within their power to get a free flag.
If any of this "adapted training" is cutting out useless training ... and adding survival skills, then I say "great, it's about time!". But I realize that would be asking a lot of the military.
I have noted the seeming proliferation of SDM and upswing of Sniper applications... This is a good start ... however, If officers in command of said assets, are not clear upon aplication specifics, SOP , or indeed limitations of these units, they will be sqandered. So, no change there.

Officer of Engineers

If history is any guide, section and platoon level training would be kept. Company and battalion would be delayed until in theatre.

-{SpoonmaN}-

Can't help but wonder if this is going to affect me, since I'll probably be starting the CIC in about 3 months time, assuming I don't screw up at Selection.
At the end of the day, if I were to be one of said "half-trained" troops, it wouldn't effect by decision to join one bit.

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dave lukins

The timing of Troop Training is very carefully worked out, its not a figure pulled out of the hat. At Depot level, soldiers not quite up to strength are given extra training either at the Depot or within their Regiments/battalions etc. To cut this training by half is nothing short of a panic move to get troops on the ground.

Hence: "One senior defence source admitted that the new recruits would not be properly qualified to fight since they would receive only 50 per cent of the basic training usually given to qualified combat infantrymen.

“I would be very nervous of having to deploy with this limited level of expertise and experience"

Stan187

Don't military units regardless of the nation have such a reputation?

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"Adapt and overcome. Suck it up and drive on."

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S-2

"Well one thing is well known S-2, us Brits and Canucks have a reputation for adapting and making do ."

Yes, Sergeant Major, you do.

""Adapt and overcome. Suck it up and drive on."

So do our N.C.O.s.

It is, however, a problem in officer country and not N.C.O. business. You guys are left with the clean-up of this foul-up by senior officers. EVERYBODY at some point does a smart salute and says," Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full". Training, however, is an immensely serious issue where generals need to fall on swords before giving in. Umm...especially when at war.

That's what GENERALS get paid to do.

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