Turkey unveils new indigenous rifles for Land Forces...

Khan_Han · 01-05-2008, 16:29 PM

UPDATE FROM TURKEY

The Turkish Minister of Defence H.E. Vecdi Gonul, has unveiled yesterday Turkey's choice of new rifle to replace the G3:

The Mehmetçik-1 designed and manufactured by MKEK of Turkey is similar in design to the Hk-416, but with added features such as laser target illumination and the use of a different metal, inter alia.

It has also been anounced that Turkey has become the 5'th nation in the world to have attained the ability to design and manufacture Modern Tank Turrets. Minister Gonul officially inaugurated the manufacturing plant yesterday for this sole purpose.

Tronic · 01-05-2008, 17:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan_Han

It has also been anounced that Turkey has become the 5'th nation in the world to have attained the ability to design and manufacture Modern Tank Turrets.

Britain, US, France, (China?), Russia, Germany, India; thats 7 and counting, no?

Khan_Han · 01-05-2008, 18:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

Britain, US, France, (China?), Russia, Germany, India; thats 7 and counting, no?

Counting like that, there will be more than 7. What the Turks are doing is innovation not reverse engineered copies. China and India manufacture under licence from Russia.

Whereas, Turkey is developing new generation of turrets. It has developed and dedicated a whole Factory (With 500,000 sq m of floor space) for the design, testing and manufacture of turrets.

Tronic · 01-05-2008, 18:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan_Han

Counting like that, there will be more than 7. What the Turks are doing is innovation not reverse engineered copies. China and India manufacture under licence from Russia.

Whereas, Turkey is developing new generation of turrets.

Sorry Khan, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The Indian gun on the Arjun is an indegeneously designed smoothbore gun; kindly tell me which Russian gun compares with it? And as for China, I think that they had also developed a smoothbore gun from what I have heard, though I don't know for sure (and hence the question mark in my previous post).

Khan_Han · 01-05-2008, 18:29 PM

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Sorry Khan, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The Indian gun on the Arjun is an indegeneously designed smoothbore gun; kindly tell me which Russian gun compares with it? And as for China, I think that they had also developed a smoothbore gun from what I have heard, though I don't know for sure (and hence the question mark in my previous post).

According to my sources the Turret for the Arjun was developed with assistance from DENEL of South Africa (which in turn had assistance from France). In fact, the Indian Bhim, a 155 mm self-propelled howitzer (a variant of the Arjun) has been prototyped by fitting the South African Denel T6 turret, which comes with the G5 howitzer to the Arjun chassis. Evidence of this is wide spread in India as DENEL had recently become involved in a corruption scandal, and hence the Indian Ministry of Defence has suspended the Bhim.

Tronic · 01-05-2008, 18:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Khan_Han

According to my sources the Turret for the Arjun was developed with assistance from DENEL of South Africa (which in turn had assistance from France).

Khan, which sources?

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In fact, the Indian Bhim, a 155 mm self-propelled howitzer (a variant of the Arjun) has been prototyped by fitting the South African Denel T6 turret, which comes with the G5 howitzer to the Arjun chassis. Evidence of this is wide spread in India as DENEL had recently become involved in a corruption scandal, and hence the Indian Ministry of Defence has suspended the Bhim.

Yes, the Bhim is an entirely different project (artillery and not a tank) and is suppose to be a hybrid between the Arjun and T6.

Khagan · 01-05-2008, 19:34 PM

I thought G3s were going to be replaced with M-16s.

Tarek Morgen · 01-05-2008, 19:49 PM

so this is basicly a HK-416 with a few extra Gimnicks?

neyzen · 01-05-2008, 19:55 PM

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so this is basicly a HK-416 with a few extra Gimnicks?

There is no even some gimmicks on rifle. ordinary copy of HK-416.

Tarek Morgen · 01-05-2008, 19:57 PM

in that case I dont understand the "indigenous" part. Then it is just a licensed foreign weapon, isn't it?

neyzen · 01-05-2008, 20:11 PM

Is it licensed?

Khan_Han · 01-05-2008, 20:16 PM

Don't judge a book by its cover...The appearance is apt to mislead.

Albeit, the Mehmetcik-1 may look like an exact replica of the HK-416 it is not. The only similarity between the two rifles is ergonomics/appearance.

The Mehmetcik-1 utilises a Turkish designed and manufactured mechanism,
A Proprietary Steel- the product of extensive metalurgical study by MKEK
Has different dimensions and has add-on features which the HK-616- D10RS and HK-616-D145RS does not have.

Amongst other differences which the MKEK did not release details of.

Do you really believe Heckler & Koch would have allowed the Turks to produce such weapon under licence or even more allow them to copy it... Come on guys!

Khan_Han · 01-05-2008, 20:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

Khan, which sources?

Yes, the Bhim is an entirely different project (artillery and not a tank) and is suppose to be a hybrid between the Arjun and T6.

DRDO Bhavan does not state that. According to them the T6 is a derivative of the Arjun. It is also no secret that DENEL has been very active in this area in India. Do you know of any Indian company which specifically has been incorporated to design, test and manufacture turrets? They have all been the product of joint-ventures and co-production between DRDO and International Firms.

Khan_Han · 01-05-2008, 20:27 PM

Not the differences!

omon · 01-05-2008, 20:45 PM

it is a rifle build from custom parts, ideas aren,t new, new stell doesn,t make it a new rifle, neither does slightly resheped stock, it is a remake at best.
the only new and prbly indigenous rifle that came out recantly, is abakan.

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Khan_Han Banished Join Date: 11-16-07 Location: New South Wales Posts: 205 Country:	Turkey unveils new indigenous rifles for Land Forces... UPDATE FROM TURKEY The Turkish Minister of Defence H.E. Vecdi Gonul, has unveiled yesterday Turkey's choice of new rifle to replace the G3: The Mehmetçik-1 designed and manufactured by MKEK of Turkey is similar in design to the Hk-416, but with added features such as laser target illumination and the use of a different metal, inter alia. It has also been anounced that Turkey has become the 5'th nation in the world to have attained the ability to design and manufacture Modern Tank Turrets. Minister Gonul officially inaugurated the manufacturing plant yesterday for this sole purpose. Last edited by Khan_Han : 01-05-2008 at 16:32 PM.

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Tarek Morgen *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 02-08-07 Location: Kassel Posts: 775 Country:	so this is basicly a HK-416 with a few extra Gimnicks? __________________ uh I might be wrong

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Khan_Han Banished Join Date: 11-16-07 Location: New South Wales Posts: 205 Country:	Not the differences! Last edited by Khan_Han : 01-05-2008 at 20:33 PM.

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omon Field mechanik *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-01-06 Location: bk Posts: 1,879 Country:	it is a rifle build from custom parts, ideas aren,t new, new stell doesn,t make it a new rifle, neither does slightly resheped stock, it is a remake at best. the only new and prbly indigenous rifle that came out recantly, is abakan. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin

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01-05-2008, 19:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Khagan New Member Join Date: 01-04-08 Posts: 16 Country:	I thought G3s were going to be replaced with M-16s.

01-05-2008, 19:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tarek Morgen *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 02-08-07 Location: Kassel Posts: 775 Country:	in that case I dont understand the "indigenous" part. Then it is just a licensed foreign weapon, isn't it?

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neyzen Patron Join Date: 04-22-06 Posts: 212 Country:	Is it licensed?

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Khan_Han Banished Join Date: 11-16-07 Location: New South Wales Posts: 205 Country:	Don't judge a book by its cover...The appearance is apt to mislead. Albeit, the Mehmetcik-1 may look like an exact replica of the HK-416 it is not. The only similarity between the two rifles is ergonomics/appearance. The Mehmetcik-1 utilises a Turkish designed and manufactured mechanism, A Proprietary Steel- the product of extensive metalurgical study by MKEK Has different dimensions and has add-on features which the HK-616- D10RS and HK-616-D145RS does not have. Amongst other differences which the MKEK did not release details of. Do you really believe Heckler & Koch would have allowed the Turks to produce such weapon under licence or even more allow them to copy it... Come on guys!

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