mandeep_619

this is the berret m468(now known as the rec7)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4804/dpp0002sw0.jpg
this is the HK-416
http://www.airsplat.com/Images/ER-VFC-HK416-10.jpg
and you already see the the similarites between the three
-same butt
-handguard
-same barrel
-ect
well i brang up this because there is no visiable difference between the three
but performance wise the turkish and Hk-416 would preform about the sme as the m-16. why well becouse of the amunition both use the 5.56x45 round the same as the m16

i did some research and i found out the 5.56mm round was made to be a fast piercing bullet the tumbles as it enters the flesh creating lots of damage.Now the ak uses a 7.62mm round which was made to in a good 200 meter range were it could pierce thru the target punching it and essienchly piercing anybody else behind or peirce thru a bunker and the enemy on the other side.

5.56mm could go far and fast ,hit the enemy but not knock down a target in at 200 meter effective range
7.62mm could not go as far had half the speed of a 5.56 round but could if the enemy was hit it would throw the enemy down under a 200 meter effective range but out of 200 nters the bullets would just fall to the ground

so berret got the best of both worlds and made the 6.08mm round


so performance wise the berret is the best out of all three and if you disagree please back yourself with good evidence

fitz

The Chinese produce their own indiginous designs. They have not copied a Russian design since the Type 69.

While T-72 and now T-90 are produced under license in India Arjun is a domestic development including a gun developed in India. Do they use outside subcontractors? Probably, but who doesn't? Hell, the Brits own a big chunk of the American defense industry now.

PS

Jordan has developed, built and TESTED complete tank turrets of local design - a bit ahead of the Turk's in that regard.

On another matter...

Anyone who has experience the appalling quality of Turkish made G3's and MP5's isn't going to get too excited about a Turkish copy of the 416.

Public Enemy

I'm assuming you've had experienced the "appalling quality" in person, so i would like to ask what made it so "appalling" to say a German G3 ?

gunnut

I think he meant the Turkish copy of the German G3. German G3 is of superb quality. Turkish G3, on the other hand...

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Stan187

I think he meant "what made it so appauling IN COMPARISON to a German G3"

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Public Enemy

Ah ok, Well the Turkish 'Enigneers' changed the design slightly to ease production using Turkish manufacturing methods.

Ucar

MKEK made G-3s perform acceptably, if not perfectly, provided that regular preventive maintainance is applied as necessary.

I have had the chance to use both Turkish and German copies during my time in service, and I did not notice a significant difference in performance. I do not have on hands experience about MP-5s.

Overall, our peace time maintainance levels are low, and I agree that the average G-3 in the TAF is not "top notch". In active combat units however, G-3s are used with adequate performance withouth major complaints.

I do not know about the difference in Turkish and German production methods, so I would appreciate Public Enemy's feedback on this.

Stan187

Magpul Masada, now called the Bushmaster ACR

TAR-21 Tavor

FN SCAR

Either of those, just for starts, ring any bells?

omon

Magpul Masada, pretty much reshaped ar, same barrel, same trigger group, similar bolt, the same way of operating, just more plastic, nothing revolutionary,
TAR-21 Tavor, modernized aug, same 2 guading rails as aug, similar bolt, gas mechanizm, noiting revolutionary, just reshaped, reworked aug. you even take them both apart the same way, by removing butt plate.
FN SCAR, lol, similar lower as ar, same trigger group, same barrel, recoil spring moved on top, nothing revolutionary, improved ar.

not a single one of them is new consept.

you seem to not understand what new consept is, and what is a improved remake. there is a difference, a big one.

got anymore???? i like when you make yourself look stupid.

now name a single weapon (production, not prototype) that was designed in the last 20 years that has uniqe, and revolutionary way of operation, as abakan does?????

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Stan187

The Masada is just an AR clone? The SCAR is just an AR clone? Because they use the same trigger group/lowers and barrels they are the same guns? The AN-94 uses a "lower" just like an AK. Even the pistol grip and magazines are the same, omg it must be a repackaged AK . God forbid if designers actually made the logistical and egronomic transition from one firearm to another smoother. You not only self-contradictory, but less intelligent than I gave credit for. No worries, etu oshibku ya povtoryat ne budu .

And a Tavor is the same thing as an AUG? And oh goodness they even come apart in a similar manner? Guess what, most bullpups do, that doesn't mean they're all the same thing. Let me guess, a F2000 is also the same thing, because its a bullpup. Oh no! They even use the same magazines as an AR! They're just repackaged ARs! Phew, luckily you and your logic were there to point out our folly... I suppose by that same logic a Bradley and an Abrams are also the same thing, since you know they both have tracks and a turret.

Go ahead dude, keep making yourself look rediculous, everyone else is just popping popcorn and having a good laugh at you.

You're right about one thing. I certainly don't understand what a new "consept" is, I've never heard that word before. Nice talking to you, you're funnier to watch than Reno 911, though granted a tad less eloquent, but I'm willing to let that go.

omon

lmao, whatever dude, i build my first .22 before you was born, there is absolutely nothing you can tell me that i don,t already know.

ifrc you were telling me german stamped reciver is better than milled one, you are the one who had no idea cz made rifles. i rest my case. you fail.

you are nothing but a ignorant teen who watched too much tv, and internet, and think you know it all, fail again.

btw, an only shares mag, and grip with ak, no other parts is alike.go over an thread there are pics, you'll see how bad you fail.

btw, are you still israli citizen?