Marksmanship of different military forces? - Page 3

**Shek** · 01-23-2008, 13:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Albany Rifles

Yes, Hand Grenade...and yup, you kind of gotta do what you are saying. You go through and assault course using training grenades. Its a combination of accuracy and distance. You have to throw into 5 meter circle, into a fighting position, through a window and a few other things.

Always helped it was shaped liek a baseball and I played catcher...kind of like throwing out the runner at 2d base!

You'd be saddened to see the percentage of soldiers who never played baseball nowadays. Some of the poor team leaders and squad leaders would have to spend hours trying to teach some of the soldiers how to throw the grenade to the 35m target during EIB.

glyn · 01-23-2008, 14:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Shek

You'd be saddened to see the percentage of soldiers who never played baseball nowadays. Some of the poor team leaders and squad leaders would have to spend hours trying to teach some of the soldiers how to throw the grenade to the 35m target during EIB.

In my schooldays 'Throwing the cricket ball' was a contest to see who could throw the farthest. It was quite obvious that it was really intended to prime people to hurl grenades in the services.

Walking Dead · 01-23-2008, 15:09 PM

Qualifications are great but, point shooting techniques - the shooting methodology actually useful in combat (day/night) needs to be taught more widely to those who are not of combat-arms specialties (and even some who are

) (e.g. quick-sighting, quick-shooting, etc.). My .02.

omon · 01-23-2008, 15:11 PM

we were tought to throw grenades (700gramms) in school gym class, iirc 30m was passing throw.
we also had a test on at granade, 1.2 kg, had to hit tank siluette, and duck, distance was 10-15m, for at, unlike 700g. granade(both dummy grenades) accuracy was reqired.

Albany Rifles · 01-24-2008, 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=Shek;451614]You'd be saddened to see the percentage of soldiers who never played baseball nowadays. Some of the poor team leaders and squad leaders would have to spend hours trying to teach some of the soldiers how to throw the grenade to the 35m target during EIB.[/quote]

Its all that dang soccer they are playing these days!!!

JCT · 01-24-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Walking Dead

Qualifications are great but, point shooting techniques - the shooting methodology actually useful in combat (day/night) needs to be taught more widely to those who are not of combat-arms specialties (and even some who are

) (e.g. quick-sighting, quick-shooting, etc.). My .02.

Yes, I agree, but the principles of marksmanship must be taught and then exercised. This must be continually refreshed as shooting is a perishable skill. No sense teaching point shooting techniques if you can't hit anything beyond 25m.

The USMC realized that point shooting techniques are necessary and came up with the Enhanced Marksmanship Program as an interim solution. Incorporating this type of shoot into the qualification week is the final result.

BadKharma · 01-24-2008, 14:47 PM

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Originally Posted by omon

we were tought to throw grenades (700gramms) in school gym class, iirc 30m was passing throw.
we also had a test on at granade, 1.2 kg, had to hit tank siluette, and duck, distance was 10-15m, for at, unlike 700g. granade(both dummy grenades) accuracy was reqired.

I find that very interesting that it was taught in HS.

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Originally Posted by JCT

Yes, I agree, but the principles of marksmanship must be taught and then exercised. This must be continually refreshed as shooting is a perishable skill. No sense teaching point shooting techniques if you can't hit anything beyond 25m.

The USMC realized that point shooting techniques are necessary and came up with the Enhanced Marksmanship Program as an interim solution. Incorporating this type of shoot into the qualification week is the final result.

You are correct it is a perishable skill. The unit I was in constantly spent time on the range including (point shooting skills) taping over the front sights of the Car-15/ M-16.

Walking Dead · 01-29-2008, 21:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JCT

Yes, I agree, but the principles of marksmanship must be taught and then exercised. This must be continually refreshed as shooting is a perishable skill. No sense teaching point shooting techniques if you can't hit anything beyond 25m.

The USMC realized that point shooting techniques are necessary and came up with the Enhanced Marksmanship Program as an interim solution. Incorporating this type of shoot into the qualification week is the final result.

Absolutely agreed. I did not mean to imply that basic shooting techniques need not be taught rather, in addition to qual. point shooting needs to be practiced a lot more (speaking with somewhat outdated frame of reference).

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Originally Posted by BadKharma

You are correct it is a perishable skill. The unit I was in constantly spent time on the range including (point shooting skills) taping over the front sights of the Car-15/ M-16.

Great practice! Much more to my liking then qual. week.

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Walking Dead Semper Fu Master *Military Professional* Join Date: 01-11-08 Location: California Posts: 167 Country:	Qualifications are great but, point shooting techniques - the shooting methodology actually useful in combat (day/night) needs to be taught more widely to those who are not of combat-arms specialties (and even some who are) (e.g. quick-sighting, quick-shooting, etc.). My .02. Last edited by Walking Dead : 01-23-2008 at 15:11 PM. Reason: I forget things

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