Officer of Engineers

Son,

I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. An Officer's job is to make sure his people can do their jobs and at times, that means getting the hell out of the way.

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TehJesusLizard

Firstly, with respect, stop calling me son
Secondly, most of officers I have encountered in Cadets (Cadets mind you, I'm not making a connection to the Reg Force or the Reserves) was either totally idiotic, or hated by everyone in the Corps, the worst was a bumbling
2nd LT who really meant well but was a utter idoit, couldn't do drill, and left the NCO's of the corps out to dry on their own, I'm talking from experience, not just for the sake of talkin, but again this is only MY personnal experience

Officer of Engineers

SON,

I retired with the rank of Lieutenant-Colonel. I think my experience FAR outweigh yours by a long shot.

Adux

Well i would call this SAS guy self-indulgent.
He should move over when his time comes and make sure his junior's understand command responsibilities. Everytime he leads them when he doesnt have to, he is taking away decision making and leading skills away from his juniour's, and making the chain of command and his experience go to waste if at all he was injured or killed.

He is just a action junkie

TehJesusLizard

I'm sure SIR, you could have retired a major general for all I care, and I'm very sure your experience outweighs mine, and again I dont care, and above all stop calling me son, I'm not your kid, and I sure as hell don't plan on it any time soon, so unless you have some actual relationship with me that I am unaware of, stop calling me son.

Officer of Engineers

The one thing you first learn is respect and you don't have any. And I sure as hell don't need your being a brat here. Goodbye.

glyn

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Stan187

Shoulda taken it as a compliment.

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Mowers

I was told by someone directly involved in removing him the following.

He was removed because he was personally getting involved in operations at a tactical level when his role was to command operations at an operational level.

In effect he wanted to be one of the boys and this led to problems.

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dave lukins

One one hand we have a SAS Officer being scolded for leading from the front..and on the other hand, a Colonel H Jones given a VC(Posthumously)for doing just so

kato

Doesn't about any military do that with their special forces? Germany actively used to advertise (or arrange "documentaries") with Combat Swimmers and Mine Divers, and later on KSK-related troops. It's a regular mass recruiting tool.

Mowers

I understand what you are saying but that isnt technically true.

In the analysis that followed the Falklands war Colonel Jones has been repeatedly critized for his actions, brave though they were, because it jeoparized the entire attack and left the unit without an effective command structure. That is the official position of the British army historical unit at Sandhurst.

However, during the immediate post war period the jubliation led to him recieving the Victoria Cross. Did he deserve it? For bravery yes. But for doing the right thing the official british army position is now no.

The British army does not need lots of Colonel H Jones getting stuck in. It needs Colonels who recognise their tactical days are effectively over and to use their experience to guide less junior troops to victory. There will be extreme circumstances when colonels have to take tactical maneovres but any commander taking them every other mission simply can not be doing a good job commanding operations.

dave lukins

Mowers..yes I've heard that Official thinking before..hope it does'nt take the edge off for the family..

Colonels of today are certainly younger than in my day and the vigor to get "stuck in" must be tempting And having trained with 22 in Norway many many yrs ago they would have more vigor than most to lead from the front or just slightly behind the second man

Officer of Engineers

There are some leaders who MUST lead from the front. This is not a slight on this who "manages" a battle but rather someone who must be in front to meet the enemy in order to read the enemy. I'm not one of these types but I've met those who can only read a battle while seeing the fighting upfront.

glyn