Air-Mech website...

Horrido · 09-05-2003, 20:27 PM

An interesting little website, considering our recent air-mobility discussions...

http://www.combatreform.com/airmechstrike.htm

Anon · 09-05-2003, 22:34 PM

Interesting little de-gunned Bradley's they have zipping along the page.

I don't like it already.

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-05-2003, 23:19 PM

The only thing the snowcat (BV-206) is good for is to stop the polar bears from eating you while you do your patrol. (sidebar, did an 8 month stint on Baffin Island and you really don't know north until you've been there. The dogs are always trained to gather around people to protect them from polar bears. Not that you expect them to put up much of a fight, just that while the bear is eating the dogs, you have a chance to run away).

The snowcat may able to stop a snowball but I wouldn't count more than that. We used them is that they don't sink in light ice.

The only reason why we brought them to Afghanistan is that we had nothing else that can carry our kits.

Horrido · 09-06-2003, 03:11 AM

Snipe, it's actually a precurser to the Bradley they allowed FMC to sell overseas, originally designated the XM765, sold to Belgium, the Phillipines, and Hollan as the YPR-765...

http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltra...65-series.html

:p

Anon · 09-06-2003, 03:32 AM

LOL, OK, thanx Evan.

bigross86 · 09-06-2003, 13:23 PM

That Herc flying across the page is an Israeli one.

Commando · 01-01-2005, 05:04 AM

Is this primary source true and trustworthy!!!

Anon · 01-01-2005, 05:16 AM

Sure.

Kozzy · 01-12-2005, 11:01 AM

The guy has some decent points. But it's like he has a sexual attraction to the M113 "Gavin"

Anon · 01-12-2005, 16:04 PM

Agreed, Milt is a little obsessed, lol.

troung · 01-12-2005, 17:05 PM

Well maybe he has something with the "fact" the US should have given SOG M-113s so they could have gone on deep recon missions in NVA/PL infested areas with safety during the Vietnam War. I'm sure you could drop in 2 M-113s and keep them hidden on a recon mission in enemy territory when the only roads are used by the enemies and they are on constant patrol in the jungles and are on an offensive posture as they attack RLA troops all the time. And of course we are talking about single lane roads with no shoulders. I'm sure you could hide the M-113 within eye sight of the enemy and move out without them knowing... seeing as small teams were easily found I am sure M-113s could hide better...

Plus as we "know" 2 M-113s would be able to survive attacks by NVA/PL tanks (T-55s and PT-76s) and anti tank teams (with RPG-7s, RPG-2s, B-10s, AT-3s), lots of artillery (from 76mm up to 152mm) and entire infantry regiments. And hanging in M-113s under CH-47s while flying deep into enemy controlled jungles full of AAA and SAMs is very safe after all...

He actually said that... some of his ideas are nice and others border on insanity....

Anon · 01-12-2005, 17:13 PM

"He actually said that... some of his ideas are nice and others border on insanity...."

Agreed. If you're gonna drop 113s behind enemy lines, you better be doing it in at least Bn force.

troung · 01-12-2005, 17:36 PM

The American plan to invade the border areas of Laos was going to be about 30,000-40,000 strong with heavy airpower and artillery. The ARVN invasions was around 17,000 strong and the M-113s were stuck on the road becuase of the terrain. So no way could you hide 2-3 M-113s on a worthwhile recce mission.

Sending in 2-3 M-113s on a recon mission is just wasting guys and vehicles seeing as they had entire battle ready divisions supported by tanks and artillery to throw at people (mostly the RLA/Hmong). Even an M-113 battalion on its own (with airpower) would take heavy losses (on the basis of so many NVA/PL troops with RPG-7s and RRs) and probably have to flee west into RLA controlled areas or leave behind the vehicles and have them taken out in an air strike.

So that guy is a little M-113 crazy. It's a nice vehicle with many uses but being dropped in by CH-47 to recce NVA supply lines is crazy. Thats too big a force to hide (simply on the basis of the vehicles) and way to small to fight to hordes of commies.

Anon · 01-12-2005, 21:57 PM

Like i said, agreed.

09-05-2003, 20:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Horrido Staff Emeritus Chief Subversive Join Date: 08-04-03 Location: Secure, and undisclosed. Posts: 979	Air-Mech website... An interesting little website, considering our recent air-mobility discussions... http://www.combatreform.com/airmechstrike.htm __________________ The black flag is raised: Ban them all... Let the Admin sort them out. I know I'm going to have the last word... I have powers of deletion and lock.

09-05-2003, 23:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Officer of Engineers *Military Professional* Moderator Scotch taster Join Date: 08-06-03 Posts: 17,059 Country:	The only thing the snowcat (BV-206) is good for is to stop the polar bears from eating you while you do your patrol. (sidebar, did an 8 month stint on Baffin Island and you really don't know north until you've been there. The dogs are always trained to gather around people to protect them from polar bears. Not that you expect them to put up much of a fight, just that while the bear is eating the dogs, you have a chance to run away). The snowcat may able to stop a snowball but I wouldn't count more than that. We used them is that they don't sink in light ice. The only reason why we brought them to Afghanistan is that we had nothing else that can carry our kits. __________________ Chimo

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bigross86 401 Ikvot Habarzel *Military Professional* Join Date: 08-07-03 Location: Ra'anana, Israel Posts: 3,148	That Herc flying across the page is an Israeli one. __________________ You're a naughty girl, go to my room!

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09-05-2003, 22:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Interesting little de-gunned Bradley's they have zipping along the page. I don't like it already.

09-06-2003, 03:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Horrido Staff Emeritus Chief Subversive Join Date: 08-04-03 Location: Secure, and undisclosed. Posts: 979	Snipe, it's actually a precurser to the Bradley they allowed FMC to sell overseas, originally designated the XM765, sold to Belgium, the Phillipines, and Hollan as the YPR-765... http://www.jed.simonides.org/fulltra...65-series.html :p

09-06-2003, 03:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	LOL, OK, thanx Evan.

01-01-2005, 05:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
Commando Contributor Join Date: 01-01-05 Posts: 412 Country:	Is this primary source true and trustworthy!!!

01-01-2005, 05:16 AM	#8 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Sure.

01-12-2005, 11:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kozzy Regular Join Date: 10-16-04 Posts: 58	The guy has some decent points. But it's like he has a sexual attraction to the M113 "Gavin"

01-12-2005, 16:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Agreed, Milt is a little obsessed, lol.

01-12-2005, 17:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	Well maybe he has something with the "fact" the US should have given SOG M-113s so they could have gone on deep recon missions in NVA/PL infested areas with safety during the Vietnam War. I'm sure you could drop in 2 M-113s and keep them hidden on a recon mission in enemy territory when the only roads are used by the enemies and they are on constant patrol in the jungles and are on an offensive posture as they attack RLA troops all the time. And of course we are talking about single lane roads with no shoulders. I'm sure you could hide the M-113 within eye sight of the enemy and move out without them knowing... seeing as small teams were easily found I am sure M-113s could hide better... Plus as we "know" 2 M-113s would be able to survive attacks by NVA/PL tanks (T-55s and PT-76s) and anti tank teams (with RPG-7s, RPG-2s, B-10s, AT-3s), lots of artillery (from 76mm up to 152mm) and entire infantry regiments. And hanging in M-113s under CH-47s while flying deep into enemy controlled jungles full of AAA and SAMs is very safe after all... He actually said that... some of his ideas are nice and others border on insanity....

01-12-2005, 17:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"He actually said that... some of his ideas are nice and others border on insanity...." Agreed. If you're gonna drop 113s behind enemy lines, you better be doing it in at least Bn force.

01-12-2005, 17:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
troung A Self Important *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 4,390 Country:	The American plan to invade the border areas of Laos was going to be about 30,000-40,000 strong with heavy airpower and artillery. The ARVN invasions was around 17,000 strong and the M-113s were stuck on the road becuase of the terrain. So no way could you hide 2-3 M-113s on a worthwhile recce mission. Sending in 2-3 M-113s on a recon mission is just wasting guys and vehicles seeing as they had entire battle ready divisions supported by tanks and artillery to throw at people (mostly the RLA/Hmong). Even an M-113 battalion on its own (with airpower) would take heavy losses (on the basis of so many NVA/PL troops with RPG-7s and RRs) and probably have to flee west into RLA controlled areas or leave behind the vehicles and have them taken out in an air strike. So that guy is a little M-113 crazy. It's a nice vehicle with many uses but being dropped in by CH-47 to recce NVA supply lines is crazy. Thats too big a force to hide (simply on the basis of the vehicles) and way to small to fight to hordes of commies.

01-12-2005, 21:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	Like i said, agreed.

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