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Wait, when u say they would have only luck on Ladakh, is that cause of the natural barriers or India's skill in defense?

ajaybhutani

Ray,
How well can china use its missile forces in war. For i think india severly lacks the missiles to use in war.( only two battle groups for prithvi and 1 fro agni. BTW does the govt even hide some of the missile battle groups from the public or there are only 3 with india. )Clearly most wars before today are fought without missiles except maybe the ameircan attacks recently but there too the opponents were too weak. So how much can missiles change the course of war and tactics.

Samudra

IA is buying 200 Pinakas and some three dozen smerchs ,
add to that 200 Brahmos in the next three to four years.
75 Prithvis in Service.Much for conventional role.


We lack missiles ?

bull

India is "buying"...all these would materialise probably by 2008 - 2010.What abt imbalance tillthan,and china would have added to its mssile system by then.India cant expect china to sleep with its missiles when india is acquring allt hese.
in missiles i think china is a much superior force compred to india.

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bull

what are the main surface to surface missiles that we use..other than prithvi 1,2 agni 1,2.is that all we hae.
whats hapening with our anti missile sysytem

Samudra

And considering the terrain PLA and IA are going to be fighting missiles , aint gonna make much sense except taking out supply depots and stuff.

But what do i know ?
Ill leave it to the good old soldiers.

bull

i have read that china is rapidly developing infrsstructure in southern border regions this might prove as a indrence as if chins somehow succeeds in maintaing a good supply link india might have a few surprises.

ajaybhutani

Well if thats nough then why do people here in the thread say that chineese are superior in missile battalions etc.
BTW Prithvi is a ballistic missile which will be costly to use inconventional sense. and most of them along with agnis will be kept as backups for nuke launches . Well how good is pinaka ??. Smerch is surely gonna help byut htey have a lmited sub 100km rnage. What we lack is a cruise missile as the chinese strategic points ( like airbases/weapons storage plaves ) will be much away from warfront due to the terrain. Brahmos is surely good but isnt it being inducted in navy. Are they inducting for Army too . Can u please paste the link as i must have missed the news.

Samudra

Missiles arent much use in mountain warfare...
What we got today is adequate.

Induction of more Agni-I missiles , AFAIK means Prithvis for conventional roles.
The CEP of Prithvi is good enough.Add to that 200 Brahmos.Land Attack versions.
Google , and you shall find.

Pinaka is as good as any other MBRL can get.

All The above is what i told you in the post you have quoted...Sigh.

Kontakt Era

Ajaybhutani, i think they are gonna use the Brahmos missiles in the IA also. I heard they are gonna attach them ot the SUks. In any case, wouldnt it be too expensive to go trigger happy with the Brahmos missiles? Isnt it less expensive to fire the 214mm rockets and the 300mm rockets from the Smerches and the Pinakas. A colonel that I know had experiance with the pinaka. When in the mountains in the 1990s conflict with Pak he said the pinaka is highly "inaccurate". He said it did the job though.......eventually. Did they fix the problems since then? By the way, India has a lot of anti-air and anti-aircraft, so that works.

Samudra

Thats where the Israelis are helping us.In the accuracy.
IMI supplies the guidance (sort of) kit.

Per DefExpo'2004 reports from Bharat Rakshak ,the LSP was completed back then.
8 lauchers were made overall in the LSP....
Now 12 launchers make one regiment.

That is how many IA is buying every year.( or may be even two regiments to
get to the 200 number in 6-8 years)

There were some problems in the reloading times of the MBRL , guess that has been fixed.

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/pincor.jpg
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_417.shtml

ajaybhutani

prithvis are expensive and being a ballistic missile it woulld cost more and will even be inacccurate when compared to a cruise missile like brahmos. Furthremore launch of a ballistic missile would be taken as a nuke attack and retaliated. About Brahmos in mki its gonna take time for the air launched brahmos version to come out ( another 2 years).
Well nd about the chineese side . What do they ahve ???

ajaybhutani

i dont think indian air defences are as good as the chineese ones. Chineese have domestic production for s300 air defence systems and have thus produced unknown numbers while the indian borders are protected by older air defences as only a milited number of s300 have been inducted. and no order in pipeline for any more production.

bull

we need to seriuosly boost our missile force...attack and defence.
A muchstronger airforce could to an extend fill in thegap of lackof missiles.Isnt it???

Kontakt Era

So basically India depends on purely natural barriers to defend itself huh? Feel free to jump in and correct me.