RUSKIE

in a fight for siberia who would win? Russia or china? Id say China (considering mongolia is out of the way) because russian troops would simply too many enemy troops to shoot at before being able to re-arm reload regroup that sort of thing even with constant air support.

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Praxus

3/4ths of the year you can not fight mechanized warfare in Siberia. The Chinese are mainly a WW2 infantry force excepting a few units. The Russians would turn the Chinese into mince meat.

Anon

I think history has shown sufficiently that an invasion of Russia is insanity....for anyone considering it.

The Chinese would fail just as the Nazis and the French did(back when the french weren't pussies).

Just as the American/British/French expeditionary force did toward the tail end of WWI.

China could no more invade Russia(successfully, then hold it) than they could invade manhattan.

Blademaster

Only the Mongols were able to do that. How did they beat General Winter?

cateyes

The winter claiming doesn't make much sense. During 1960s, Russia and China fought many small-scale battles along the border in winter, with tanks and artilleries used.

Siberia's winter is no much colder than Moscow where there was a big battle fought in winter during WWII.

And Mongols proved that as well. Mongols fought at any time. They knew nothing except war, purely a military stock at that time. And Russian learned a lot from them during their slavery under Mongols.

Jay

No. Average January temperatures are -8°C in St. Petersburg, -27°C in the West Siberian Plain, and -43°C at Yakutsk (in east-central Siberia, at approximately the same latitude as St. Petersburg).

Moscow and St Petersburg share similar summer temperatures, both averaging around 24°C. Moscow is frozen by the end of November, with snow remaining until early April, and has an average January temperature of around -12°C.

Moscow is relatively warm when compared to northeastern town of Oymyakon, which just happens to be the coldest inhabited place on earth. Its winter temperatures drop to -65°C.

-65 is way colder than -12.


http://www.russiansabroad.com/russian_history_96.html
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinat...nvironment.htm

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cateyes

Yeah, I agree with you that it doesn't make much sense to fight at Oymyakon, or even Yakutsk in winter.

These places are quite north and worthless to fight from military point of view. The real fight will happen along Russia/China/Mongonlia borders, which are pretty south.

The Russia stronghold in Siberia is Irkutsk, which is not that cold. It will be the key place in a fight. Same thing happens to US. If Us invades Canada, they won't fight at North Pole, meaningless.

Anyway, I won't think any war between Russia and China will happen, impossible.

RUSKIE

well almost none of these kind of questions are likley to happen...france v. britain... greece v. turkey... so on snd so forth.

Officer of Engineers

The Mongols were nomads, they followed their herds in their grazing lands. As they moved West, the only food storages were in the cities themselves.

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Garry

that is right. Batu Khan was quite wrong comming to Russia in winter time. But he was lucky that none of Russian regions supported his virst victims where he got enough supplies to stay by spring.

In general Russian army is in very bad shape. Only few divisions are operational and those are used in Caucasus, Tadjikistan and around Moscow. So if strategic nukes are disconsidered, Chinese have good pretty chance. The problem with Russia is that it has most of its millitary force concentrated in the European part and communications are too scarce and slow to bring enough force to the East. Just like during the times of Russian-Jappan war.... this is despite a recent maneurves when 800 troops were transported to Chinese border by plane with intention to prove Chinese that something can be deployed fast. So the only thing Russia can rely to disconsider Chinese threat is that nobody will start a full scale war with Russia which can wipe out any state using only few of its 18,000 nuclear warheads.....

RUSKIE

Exactly.

Officer of Engineers

The Chinese are in no position to go beyond 100 miles into Russian territory and must retreat before Russian divisions in Europe move east.

Blademaster

Yes it is because of China's lack of long logistics capability. Remember the phrase, "Powerful arms but short legs".

But remember that Russia only has two lines of logistics, the Trans Siberia Railroad and the harbors on the east of Russia on Pacific Ocean. I think China has the ability to interdict and disrupt those lines of communication and logistics.

Praxus

I highly dought that.

You are gonna have to destroy the railroad in numerous places to shut the railroad down for any significant time.

Ironduke

Because the Mongol winter was far colder than the Russian winter.