agent09

The Chinese Eat Rats

Subject: Chinese restaurant selling rat dishes despite health warnings

Rats to SARS, diners still lap it up
http://news.com.au/common/story_page...E13762,00.html
>From correspondents in Beijing
December 22, 2003

A RESTAURANT in southern China's Guangdong province is doing a brisk
business in rat dishes, ignoring warnings to stop serving wildlife to
prevent the spread of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome.

The eatery in the city of Zhuhai sells more than 100 rat dishes a day,
the state-run Information Times reported yesterday. Some of the rats are
caught on farms, while others are from the mountains.

Southern Chinese believe rodents are safe to eat or turn into wine if
caught wild in the countryside.

But regardless of whether the rodents are from rural or urban areas,
they can still transmit diseases, the report quoted experts as saying.

The outbreak of SARS in Guangdong last November did not discourage
locals from their eating habits.

Scientists from China and elsewhere found the SARS virus in several
types of wildlife, including rats, and the Government banned vendors
from selling wild animals.

Officials also tried to discourage people from eating such creatures,
but the practice, part of Guangdong culture, continues.

Rats served by the restaurant can be as big as 20cm long. The restaurant
skins the rodents by putting them in a pot of melted asphalt. Their skin
comes free when the cooled asphalt is peeled off.

Agence France-Presse

the wild, cruel beast is not behind the bars of the cage. he is in front of it - axel munthe

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ajaybhutani

Cant they ban the use of these animals in food. They are communists . even democracies can ban it . why not the communists. ?

Commando

I would pick 100 000 Russian troops would down the whole Chinese army without any other air interference.

agent09

Inferior Chinese Forces are absolutely No Match from Superior Russian Forces and Thats the Truth

Garry

I wouldn't be so sure. In my non-prefessional view there are few divisions in Russian army which are capable to meet high challenges but rest are very inaddequate. The best officers have left army in last 12 years, while tallented young people have considered army the least attractive place in 90-es and early 2000-es. This led to high losses in Chechnya... Among those best divisions are Pskov Paratrooper Division, 201 infantry and Ryazan Paratrooper Divsiion. In general it would make less than 100,000 soldiers.

In addition to that Russia will have problems with bringing enough forces and supplies to Amur region (Chinese border) fast enough - there are two railroads and both go along Chinese border. When required Chinese army will cut them first. On other side Chinese supply lines would be much shorter.

Air superiority might be problem as well - too few strips in the area and too few fighters are based there, while China has good part of its AF close to border with North Korea.

And the last but not least is issue of numbers - China may easily outnumber Russian troops in the area.

So nukes is the only hope that they would never try any Blitzkrieg...

agent09

No. Russia had been a SuperPower. China did not. That simply means that Russia is still not intact or Stabilized now a days thats why they are still on a unstable situation right now. What they need right now is a leader like Josef Stalin. Who cares for all the lives that he'd wasted? Atleast he created Russia as a SuperPower and thats what is important. Power!

MIKEMUN

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Originally Posted by agent09 No. Russia had been a SuperPower. China did not. That simply means that Russia is still not intact or Stabilized now a days thats why they are still on a unstable situation right now. What they need right now is a leader like Josef Stalin. Who cares for all the lives that he'd wasted? Atleast he created Russia as a SuperPower and thats what is important. Power!

Brother,you are heading for a banning. Tone down.......

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lwarmonger

Morality aside, Josef Stalin may have helped Russia become a great power in the short run, but over the long term his policies were what caused the collapse of the Soviet system. A system which is reliant upon fear to survive can only survive as long as those in charge maintain the will and the strength to cause that fear. Stalin was about as terrifying as a person could be, and there has never been a Russian leader to match him in terms of personality. The problem is that his successors were incapable (just as a new Josef Stalin's successors would be incapable) of matching his ruthlessness and cruelty due to the fact that all the others who were died at the hands of the NKVD. After that, it was simply a matter of time before the traditional fear wore away, and the system collapsed. A system based upon fear is never permanent, and quite incapable of adapting itself to meet changing situations.... and is therefore ultimately doomed.

lwarmonger

Agreed. The biggest difficulty would be cutting the raillines before mobilization, to try and prevent additional Russian forces from making it in theater. Also, a clear strategic direction is necessary, otherwise China will just end up flailing about inside Siberia. I have no doubt that Russia's troops are superior to that of China (and they have 6 category A formations along the Siberian border), but if the Chinese play their cards right, they could take much of Siberia away from Russia. Assuming no nukes.

Because Russia has nukes, China would be obliterated very quickly, and it's ground forces would grind to a halt as they run out of supplies.

beantown05

RUSSIA VS. CHINA WILL NEVER HAPPEN! MORE LIKE RUSSIA,CHINA,NORTH KOREA,(MYBE)IRAN VS. USA,UK,JAPAN,S KOREA ,Taiwan

let wwIII begin!

Officer of Engineers

That's exactly the difference. The Russians have far more superior officer staff than the Chinese.

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Woodsy the Lar

Ive been reading this thread for a while now and no-one has mentioned that the Russian officers corps are not at the standard of the cold war,the standard of the purges would be more right. The other problem is 88% of the Russian ground force,basically everything not in TCHECHEN is waiting for spare parts.

If China goes north in summer it would im absolutly sure reach Siberia, holding it is another matter.

Garry

I actually had your oppinion before. Now after I have studied the question more in detail I realized that China has VERY little chance invade... it may attack and fall back. But invading would be problem.

Russia still keeps quite a force in far east... look at number of artillery/MLRS it has there.... add strong air force... Its FIREPOWER exceeds anything China can put against them in that region.

Moreover, Russians will always know if China wants to do invasion YEAR before anything happens. Without occupying Mongolia there is only one way to attack Russia - in eastern part of the boarder (which is but in two by Mongolia).

that is list of forces in Siberian millitary district while Far Eastern exceeds it....

Siberian Military District - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Woodsy the Lar

Thanks for the Information Garry! My main concern is that for all the manpower the Russian army has it still has problems in Tchetchnea.The problem on the Chinease side is of coarse Oil!