essay

Although my english is poor,i want to master it one day.You ought not to simplify your english writing,because i understand your meaning perfectly.
Please don,t mock at my english in the future.

MIKEMUN

[QUOTE=essay]Although my english is poor,i want to master it one day.You ought not to simplify your english writing,because i understand your meaning perfectly.
Please don,t mock at my english in the future.[/quote]


Mine is poor too...I did not mean to mock you,I was just trying to say that it is difficult for me to understand you...

Kontakt Era

Lol,
Mikemun

zevazda

u know were the chinese came from! they came from hell thats why there dog and the hmong warrior have to kill them all, but the more focken chineses u kill the more they are. that why there about a billion of those freak! and when the nuclear bomb come there way boom, a billion brainless chineses die!!!!

ajaybhutani

well that really isnt a way to discuss things. If u have made ur mind then plzz dont discuss it here with such a worthless language.they are humans just like we all are here. And there are rules to what one can say in this board. Plzz do check them.

ZFBoxcar

He's gone.

RepublicanGuard

i think the russians would kick the crap out of the chinese.

Russia and china both have the latest versions of russian/soviet/new style chinese arms but Russian training is likely leaps and bounds ahead of chinese training. However, the chinese have definately increased their military training standards up since the 1950-1970's period so they could be par on par with the ruskies and all of the european powers.
Even with good training ( again im assuming because i know nothing of current chinese training ), the Russians would win the war.

In all likelyhood, this war would never happen. The Chinese depend on Russia for their military buildup via export and obtaining liscenses to produce Russia's latest and greatest technology-notably the sukhoi aircraft line and their submarines. China's hombrewn tanks/aircraft have ways to go before they reach good potential.

Hint-thats why they are all russian copies or use russian parts

lwarmonger

Were the Russians and Chinese actually to fight today, the Russians would use their nuclear edge to destroy the Chinese. No contest.

Officer of Engineers

Training wise, the Chinese are on par with the Russians and both ain't nowhere close to professional Western forces. No way a 2 year conscript is going to outdo a 4 year contract. However, where the Russians do outshine almost everybody is their operational staff. When you have divisions doing the planning down to the battalion level, that is one hell of a job.

The PLA is traditionally a guns happy army, not a tank force.

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Blademaster

Isn't that too much of a micromanagement. Micromanagement paralyzes attacking forces.

lwarmonger

Sometimes. The key is to balance flexability with control. If that is done properly, then victory becomes far more likely. For OoE, is the Russian army stressing initiative on the battalion level now? I mean, actually encouraging it (instead of just paying lipservice).

Officer of Engineers

No, they are stressing that Captains and Majors be given more assets to do their job. There is a difference. The Russians are still firm believers in rehersing the battle rather than training for contigencies. Thus, the more assets you give to the Capts and Majs, the easier it is for them to overwhelm the enemy with fire.

Officer of Engineers

As long as you limit your decision making (ie, don't change your mind too often), then you're not adding to the lower echelons.

Anoop C

Speaking of changing minds and poor communication, the account of the confusion at Maj. Gen. Gonen's HQ during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war in Martin van Creveld's book 'Command in War' has to be read to be believed! Does anybody here know if there is any controversy about the events reported there or were things actually that bad? How does that compare with wartime operations in a well run army?

RepublicanGuard

Ever since the introduction of Russia's more "Modern and Adequate" tank designs-T80s, T84s, and T90s; Russia has been slowly but surely moving their strategy from mass quanity to quality units .

Basically its like this: Say this is an early 1980's battlefield along the E/W German border.

-Instead of throwing 600 inadequate T-55s and T-62s into battle with BMPs and some heavy artillery support, they would use maybe 300 T-64/72/80 type tanks in front of the BMPs covered by a smaller detatchment of artillery but supported by a couple squadrons of Mi-24s ( a very good attack chopper i might add ) and SU-22s.

Ever since the inception of the T-72 line of tanks ( I'm not going to say the T-72 is the epidome of this due to the actions of T-72s in Iraq during the Gulf war and in Lebanon back in 1982 which in both cases the arabs where using the extremely downgraded export models of the tank which in all respects other than their arnament the arabian T-72 exports where moving "Coffins" ), notably the T-80 and up, Russian designers have greatly improved crew protection in the form of increasing the tonnage of their tanks a bit, notably with stronger frontal armor plating, and the addition of reactive armor which implodes sabot shells on impact.

If i where a Russian tanker in the early 80s i would rather combat the American M-60s and Leopard 1's with 105 mm guns in a T-72 than a T-55 or T-66 due to the quality of armor on the T-72 even though i think the M48/60 tanks are rather unsatisfactory designs, their 105mms and well-trained NATO crews know how to handle T-55s with ease.

Another very recent example of this-

Look at the T-95 Black Eagle a couple threads up or down give or take a few spots. The T-95 looks almost like a western tank to me with the T-90 type hull and suspension with a very western-like turret. Cough, Abrams style turret, cough . Kindof looks like its meant for defensive warfare like a western tank, cough . My stupid attempts at humor-ignore them

This may seem like a bunch of jibberish about tanks but what conclusions can you draw off this? Here is what I see:

1. Increased quality in firepower which in lamens terms means instead of using 3 T-55 tanks to take out one western tank, they can use one tank T-90/T-80U or a T-84 which uses the same gun as used in the Abrams/Leopard.

That equals less tanks for Russia to put on the battlefield to accomplish a mission which means less fuel being used- a wise choice in russia's current financial state

2. Improved Electronics in tanks. Nightsights and all that good electronic gear to increase the armored units fighting ability and shot/kill ratio. = Higher expectations on individual units to knock out targets. That COULD TRANSLATE into increased crew training.

3. And last but certainly the most important thing here : Vastly increased crew protection. This is simply put that Russia wants their tank crews to at least survive against western armor if a war ever broke out. Simple enough? lol.

--Increased Firepower , Increased Training, Increased Survivability--

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Less units to needed to accomplish a mission that used to require a larger amount of older units to accomplish

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Increased reliance upon lower levels of command ( Not Division or Army Group as in the early-mid cold war days ) to accomplish a mission.

Russia is beginning to westernize as we speak