Franco Lolan

good pt.
wont the su27/30's shutdown the f15s? even w/ their E-2's, couldnt PLAAF take them out w/ KH31s+AM172's then do well?

Officer of Engineers

Depends on whose space you're talking about. If it's neutral territory, the Japanese have the advantage in areial refueling and strike packages. Over Chinese ground, Chinese SAMs is an extremely tough layer to crack (not impossbile, just tough).

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Franco Lolan

i get pt about refueling; however, even on "neutral airspace", isnt having longer ranged missiles more important than being able to fly out farther and still not be able to engage?

Officer of Engineers

Two words.

Bingo fuel.

Franco Lolan

lol, ya good pt. suicide PLA pilots?

Franco Lolan

lol, ya good pt. suicide PLA pilanes? the pilots eject after having hit e-2s + tankers + run out of fuel?

ajaybhutani

I'll say it really depends.
1. Considering that most of the Chineese Su's are basic 27 vesion.which donot have very good avionics when compared to what the japaneese must be feilding. So unless we compare tjhe capabilities of the two planes (considering the fact that F15/F16 will be supported with E-2's. and see what happens.
2. To fire their anti AEW missiles the chineese Su's at least need to lock on to the E-2's and with so many of fighters i dont think its gonna be so easy. In the end it will depend upon how many su27s they feild against say a squadron of F15's with E'2 .Which is a matter of concern since Chineese would need to put a lot of Air defence on the tibet region and also against the taiwaneese. and even some on the russian borders which drastically reduces the efective no they will be able to put against the japaneese in war.Japaneese on the other hand need comparatively a little area to provide air cover they can easily provide a larger force in short time than Chineese.This accompanied with the E-2 will definitely provide an edge.

Kontakt Era

I Doubt India Would Get Involved. I Believe India's Army Is Stronger, And Would Do Somehting Cheap And Jump In. But, They Have Their Own Problems. The Paks Will Jump In For Sure, Just To Show China How Desperatly Needy For A Friend They Are. Dont U Think The U.s. Would Get Invovled? Hell The British Will Be There As Soon As We Sound Are Horn For War.

pinetreescanada

Are we talking about Russia Vs China or Japan Vs China or Indian Vs China? We're off topic ppl.

Franco Lolan

yes we are, but:

you refer to Japanese "avionics" being superior. what does that entail? isnt flanker radar more powerful? better missiles too, so aren't superfuities unnecessary.

ajaybhutani

I geuss E2's have a much longer range than Su30 Radars .So while SU30 will be relying on their own radars for fighting the F15 & F16 will rely on E2 more so while su30 might see an F16 ( F16 is a small plane ) at say 60km distance while E2 will see su 3 when its 100 km away frm F16 .So our F16 guy wil have a better chance as he can fire a missile at 100kmdistance frm SU30 ( i m just taking imaginary figures) while the Su30 guy hasnt seen F 16 yet. Frankly theb fact that SU30 has a good radar is not only neutralized but overshadowed by E2's .
About the armament rfrankly i dont ahve any idea about the japaneese invenotory of missiles and so cant comment but if the japaneese inventory has comparable missiles to say R77 then i think the japaneese have an edge.
Now lets look at the pilot experiences Japaneese are using F15 for decades now and thus knwo the plane well but can u say that with the chineese pilots . The technology is new to them ,the plane though in service its just a few yeara. So we can expect a better piloting frm japaneese . (though its just my personal belief and would like to hear views of OoE Ray and others on the issue .)


And again as i said before the prob with chineese is that they need to counter a lot of enemies. They need a good fiorce defending them on indian and russian borders and also along the Taiwan region. Which surely hampers the force they can put forward in a combat with japaneese.

ajaybhutani

Well sinve u say that chineese have better missiles can u giev us some idea about the chineese and japaneese missile arsenal ( A2A & A2G).

Franco Lolan

i have a question:
for ex:
an e2 spots su30 at 120km, datalinks to f15c. can f15 fire AMRAAM at 100 km? b/c .i think AMRAAM range is around 45 km. can u fire missile, then toggle it using e2 radar?

Franco Lolan

i thought of su30s sm172s now. plz answer the 1st Question if you know; however, 172 range is over 150 km, it could take out aircraft easily b/c amraam would never b in range unless the scenario i aforementioned is possible, even so. i think su30 formation would have edge

ajaybhutani

i was of the opinion that AIM120 is comparable to R77 latest versions(though the chineese donot have the latest versions of R77).Am i wrong??
Though as i said i have no idea about Japans missile inventory and could find any link regarding the same either.

I dunno how far away will E2 see the SU30 but i surely know that it should be something like 350km at least ro so as normally awacs can do that much .
Now lets come to firing of a missiles .Well a AWAc is like an eye for F16/F15 i.e. a missile fired frm F16 can use info from AWAC passed to it by F16/F15 to track the target.
Well if SD10 in production ( though i think its range is comparable to R77 ).
btw i dunno whats sm172 . and didnt get any good result for it on google either .Maybe u can guide me on this. In case u meant the radar killing missiles then i would say that these missiles are useless against agile targets like F16/F15. And the AWACs would be protected by F15/16 cover making it nearly impossible for su30 to reach in range to lock on E2.