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I Doubt There Would Be Much Of A War Between Russia And China. The Chinese Soldiers Arent Well Trained And Their Weapons Are Close To Nilt In Strenght. Russia Soldiers On The Other Hand Are Well Trained (compared To The Chinese), And Have 10 Times Better Artillery. Just Because China Has An Overwhelmingy Over Populated Army And Well Polished Weapons, Doesnt Mean They Can Just Skip The Border. Plus It Would Just A A String Of Fire Fights Between The Two Countries. Either The Chinese Would Die Of Frost Or Their Artillery Would Fall Apart.

pinetreescanada

I agree that China needs some time to develope its military, but the army presently is not so badly trained, and not very badly mechanised, definitely not badly equiped (standard assault rifle is a variation of the AK74, standard battle tank is the Russian T84). The airforce owns 4000 some fighters. The navy, is still waiting for its first carrier, although the submarine force is relatively advanced. The Chinese economy is growing stronger by the day. Go to whichever store you like and you see atleast one thing made in China. China just doesn't want to focus on military expansion presently, but on its economy.
About China doesn't threaten Japan part, I totally disagree. The airforce, the army, are both more advanced than the Japanese. The navy however, I would guess, is more advanced than the Chinese. To all of you that thinks the PLA is still a large but weak army with poor equipment and training and uses tactics of massed charges, you're simply wrong. That might be the case 50 years ago in the Korean war. And even then the Chinese used guerilla tactics with the UN. Do your researches and you'll know that the Chinese has advanced a lot since WWII.

Stooch

I lived in Chita for most of my childhood. I remember walking around in -40C - i almost got frostbite after a couple of hours in the cold - i didnt cover up adequately. Check out how close chita is to china. I noticed that americans tend to tighten up when its cold around here in MA. Ive been always taught to just stay active so it didnt really bother us. Plus the clothes that we have really do their job well.

I think that in a conventional fight, china as any country will fail in a land invasion. If you attack into russia, you will be making a very long reach to your strategic targets. It doesnt matter how advanced you are, but if you have to rely on road delivered supply on a massive scale, you can be eviscerated along the way. The elite russian units still get ridiculous training - especially paratroopers, easily on par with U.S. special forces. People in russian special forces are proudly serving their country, so draft isnt an issue. They also get to field the best arms russia can offer...

pinetreescanada

That reminds me, Russia's economy is still recovering from the collapse of the Soviet Union, so that means it cannot fight sustained wars. China has the ability to do that.

ajaybhutani

The russians still consider Chineese as a possible threat against their country and thats why supply weapons to them after a great thought .

AF and Air defence
For instance Russians are upgrading their defence to S400 which is way better than S300 and Chineese have a domestic derivative for S300 for themselves (which might possibly be even less capable than S300 )
Russians have loads of capable Fighters with them which are under upgradation .Chineese AF has good Su27's but i doubt the A2A & A2g missile capability of the chineese.
Again no of good fighters with Chineese is Just 200 odd nothin in comparison to russians.Clearly Russians will dominate the Airwar.

Army

The Chineese Army is huge but i have two questions
1. They are not really well trained.
2. They are not as mobile as russians.
These two factors can be real hazardous for chineese .

There wont be any clear winner in wars like these since escalations will lead to use of nuclear weapons and thus a dead end.
Though small border skirmishes would be more hazardous for chineese (since they are not well trained) but a full scale war is out of question..

ajaybhutani

I missed a point . Main oil supply for china is russia or via mallaca strait . Obvoiusly the russian supply will dry up and if the russian can convince the indians to block chineese oil supplies along the mallacas the chineese will be subdued with great ease and considering that Russians have helped indians in whatever way possible indians should surely rturn the gesture whenever they get a chance and thsi might turn out to be a good oportunity.

Officer of Engineers

The Japanese got a superior air force.

The PLA came a long way but they still have a long way to go. They admitted that themselves.

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pinetreescanada

Considering Russia is selling weapons, tanks, fighters and ships to the Chinese, the Chinese wouldn't want to fight Russia.

ajaybhutani

theres a bigger reason why china wont like to fight russia .. thats becuase russia suplies china with oil even ahs a lot of stronghold in central aisan region that chineese plan to get oil from via pipelines Though weapons represent a need for next 5-10 years after which chineese will not be much dependent on russia for weapons that extent but the oil will keep them tied to russians since they are making a lot of investments in russia (sakalin region etc)

Franco Lolan

what?!
the Japanese have an AF superior to the PLAAF? r u serious? what airplane?

pinetreescanada

I always thought the PLAAF is better. I'm wondering too.

ajaybhutani

japanese purchased some 200 F15 from US and had already profuced some 50 F2's (modified F16 ) nu 2000 ( they should ahve added another 100 F2 by now ) aking it to some 350 good quality fighters . while for chineese they ahve 200+ su27/30 furthermore the japaneese avionics and electronics technology is miles aheead of the chineese .

Officer of Engineers

Not only is the Japanese TOE superior but its training and doctrine are American ones. In essence, this is a Japanese owned American AF, with the stated role of supporting American operations. Let's face it. Any actual defence of Japan would be American commanded with American forces. Thus, the Japanese must be able (and do) fit into American strike packages.

As stated before, the Chinese do not think airpower, and the job of the AF is to keep bad guy's birds off their bellycrawlers' backs. Thus, the Chinese has yet to exploit the full potential of an actual air doctrine.

Japan Air Self Defence Force
Nihon Koku Jieitai

pinetreescanada

Except that Chinese greatly outnumber Japanese fighters. The PLAAF is the largest air force in the world with 4000 + fighters alone.
Also the China United Airlines serve as troop transports to someone i remember that said the Chinese lack aviation.

Officer of Engineers

4000 includes planes that will never fly again, including those J-6/MiG-19s of which the quality was extremely iffy.