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Old 08-23-2005, 08:42 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Ummm Terran history has shown many times over that thinking "outside" the box is the exact area most scientists and military geneous originate from. Geneous rarely start from someone elses idea aka "inside" the box. And if this outside is considered "fiction" then we would be still in the stone age throwing rocks and spears instead of missles and bombs and not the superpower of the globe that we are. Think about it. Most of the worlds geneous aka science, art, music, military, physics etc. has always lived "outside" the box. The place you call borderline insanity. If we call living outside the box insanity then there are an awful lot of extremely intelligent insane visionary people we owe one big apology to.
I guess you seem to think we split the atom, put a man on the moon, rationalized perpetual motion, flown etc just to name a few from "inside" the box...lmao. Tell you what call Einstein, Franklin, The Wright Bros, Michael Angelo, Nepolian, Newton, Dacart, and Bethoven among many brilliant others and tell them your theory of fiction and insanity from "outside" the box im sure they would enjoy it as I have.

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Old 08-23-2005, 11:48 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Ummm Terran history has shown many times over that thinking "outside" the box is the exact area most scientists and military geneous originate from.
Historically speaking, more disasters than success came from thinking outside the box.
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Old 08-23-2005, 12:30 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Historically speaking, more disasters than success came from thinking outside the box.
This may be true but we arent discussing disasters were are discussing trane of thought and how it improves the very thinking and creative process itself across a broad spectrum of topics not just military. I would bet that we could go on over improvments with just as many disasters to no end. The question is was it worth taking the risk or "thinking this way"?. Do we really think that staying inside the box with the fear of disaster being the only consequence has brought us this far? I believe that if it was we wouldnt be who we are today we would be a third world nation even "IF" we were still named America. I would think that with every disaster you can list from thinking outside the box I can list advances and gains in various fields (listed above) from thinking outside the box. Proving my point that thinking outside the box is not insanity or fiction its understanding whats in the box and then thinking again and like all things sometimes it fails.

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Old 08-23-2005, 13:51 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Dude now your just insulting me.

To clarify I stated that Creation is "looking out side the box from inside".
The box refers to the world today. There for Looking out side is imagining some thing not in the world well Sitting in the box means using things in existence. Thinking out side the box building some thing using things that do not exist, this could be a long term goal. And then LIving out side the box Means that you are completely out of touch with reality.

Now the point it i was correcting you about the Fictional Robot. as a matter of history It is easer and more profitable to destroy.
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TThe question is was it worth taking the risk or "thinking this way"?. Do we really think that staying inside the box with the fear of disaster being the only consequence has brought us this far?
The actual question is can you afford the disaster if you're wrong? Those who are successful at thinking outside the box usually think things through and only after exhausting every conventional answer would they embark on the risk. Those who don't usually meet with disasters they cannot afford.

An old USAF twist on a Chinese proverb of a wise man learning from his mistakes, a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others - you better learn from the mistakes of others because you'll be fccked long before you made them all yourself.
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Terran if you take opposing sensible rethoric as insulting then you have a problem.
I could have and should have been "ALOT" more technical about the issue like "your" criticisms were of it instead of just throwing out an innocent idea about the unmanned robot but i figured it was harmless and "only" an idea .I dont recall having a problem with any of your criticism from the beginning but you seem to find a problem with mine but so be.

Ok guys for the sake of argument label me "a risk taker" or an outside of the box person or out of reality. so be im happy and i can live with it.

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Army scientists, engineers develop liquid body armor
By Tonya Johnson
Kevlar fabric with shear thickening fluid, after impact by a fragment simulating projectile.
Kevlar fabric with shear thickening fluid, after impact by a fragment simulating projectile.

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ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND, Md. (Army News Service, April 21, 2004) -- Liquid armor for Kevlar vests is one of the newest technologies being developed at the U.S. Army Research Laboratory to save Soldiers' lives.

This type of body armor is light and flexible, which allows soldiers to be more mobile and won’t hinder an individual from running or aiming his or her weapon.

The key component of liquid armor is a shear thickening fluid. STF is composed of hard particles suspended in a liquid. The liquid, polyethylene glycol, is non-toxic, and can withstand a wide range of temperatures. Hard, nano-particles of silica are the other components of STF. This combination of flowable and hard components results in a material with unusual properties.

“During normal handling, the STF is very deformable and flows like a liquid. However, once a bullet or frag hits the vest, it transitions to a rigid material, which prevents the projectile from penetrating the Soldier’s body,” said Dr. Eric Wetzel, a mechanical engineer from the Weapons and Materials Research Directorate who heads the project team.

To make liquid armor, STF is soaked into all layers of the Kevlar vest. The Kevlar fabric holds the STF in place, and also helps to stop the bullet. The saturated fabric can be soaked, draped, and sewn just like any other fabric.

Wetzel and his team have been working on this technology with Dr. Norman J. Wagner and his students from the University of Delaware for three years.

“The goal of the technology is to create a new material that is low cost and lightweight which offers equivalent or superior ballistic properties as compared to current Kevlar fabric, but has more flexibility and less thickness,” said Wetzel. “This technology has a lot of potential.”

Liquid armor is still undergoing laboratory tests, but Wetzel is enthusiastic about other applications that the technology might be applied to.

“The sky’s the limit,” said Wetzel. “We would first like to put this material in a soldier’s sleeves and pants, areas that aren’t protected by ballistic vests but need to remain flexible. We could also use this material for bomb blankets, to cover suspicious packages or unexploded ordnance. Liquid armor could even be applied to jump boots, so that they would stiffen during impact to support Soldiers' ankles.”

In addition to saving Soldiers' lives, Wetzel said liquid armor in Kevlar vests could help those who work in law enforcement.

“Prison guards and police officers could also benefit from this technology,” said Wetzel. “Liquid armor is much more stab resistant than conventional body armor. This capability is especially important for prison guards, who are most often attacked with handmade sharp weapons.”

For their work on liquid armor, Wetzel and his team were awarded the 2002 Paul A. Siple Award, the Army’s highest award for scientific achievement, at the Army Science Conference.

(Editor’s note: Tonya Johnson is a member of the Army Research Laboratory Public Affairs Office.)



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Old 09-01-2005, 08:47 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Wow, that is really cool. People haves some great ideas sometimes.
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