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Old 09-27-2006, 10:11 AM   #61 (permalink)
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The M16 is perfectly fine as a bayonet platform. I dont see how the AK holds any advantadge at all over it in that regard.
the advantage that THEY showed... not coming from me... is that the Ak-47 has a stronger butt, whereelse the M-16 is made of Carbon Fibre or something and it can crack easily when hitting someone with it...
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Old 09-27-2006, 11:04 AM   #62 (permalink)
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the advantage that THEY showed... not coming from me... is that the Ak-47 has a stronger butt, whereelse the M-16 is made of Carbon Fibre or something and it can crack easily when hitting someone with it...
I would put money on carbon fibre over wood any day with the synthetics we use now.

I watched my corporal stomp on the charging handle of my C-7 when it jammed, I'd say they are strong as he wasn't messing about. He really stomped on it.
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Old 10-03-2006, 18:39 PM   #63 (permalink)
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I would put money on carbon fibre over wood any day with the synthetics we use now.

I watched my corporal stomp on the charging handle of my C-7 when it jammed, I'd say they are strong as he wasn't messing about. He really stomped on it.
Well they compare rifles from Vietnam not today rifles.
Also wood is much heavier than carbon fibre so you get heavy club against light club.Even today AK-47 butt would knock enemy much better than modern M-16
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Old 10-03-2006, 18:46 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I would put money on carbon fibre over wood any day with the synthetics we use now.

I watched my corporal stomp on the charging handle of my C-7 when it jammed, I'd say they are strong as he wasn't messing about. He really stomped on it.
But the buttstocks of Vietnam-era M16s were made by Mattel, for Chrissakes!
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Old 10-03-2006, 20:26 PM   #65 (permalink)
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he mean that it doens't need bayonet to knock you down. for good...!
Neither does an M-16.

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i did my conscript training with ak-47, and i can say that the numbers on the internet are not quite exactly. for example at 300 m i've been very accurate firing with it, and at 100 m it can penetrate around 11 cm on concrete an 23-25 cm on wood.
Define 'very accurate'. M855 outpenetrates 139gr ball at most ranges in most mediums, though i dont have a chart handy(and couldnt find one with a quickie search).
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Old 10-03-2006, 20:28 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Well they compare rifles from Vietnam not today rifles.
Also wood is much heavier than carbon fibre so you get heavy club against light club.Even today AK-47 butt would knock enemy much better than modern M-16
Simply not true. If i bashed you in the face with an M-16A2 butt stroke you would need extensive reconstructve surgery before a girl would kiss you again, i assure you.

I swear, some of the stuff i see on message boards baffles my mind.
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Old 10-04-2006, 00:12 AM   #67 (permalink)
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In response to the Tiger I Ausf E.

Here's a listing of museums......
http://www.wwmeinc.com/links/museums.php#german

There are 3 listed for Germany, one of which is called Panzermuseum in Munster, Germany.
http://www.panzermuseum.com/home/



The Panzer in question....
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Old 10-04-2006, 09:38 AM   #68 (permalink)
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I belive that Snipe (or I) could done nasty damage to anyone face with M-16A2 light butt.
But what about small asian man or weak conscript?
They arent powerfull as trained solider, for weak people heavier AK-47 is better club.

P.S. Snipe is there some shorter M-16 with heavier butt?
For me it would be great urban weapon.
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Old 10-04-2006, 10:29 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Russian Toys are always the Best
Is that so?


All those kill marks on the noses of those Eagles would seem to belie your point...

SRB: There are civilian models of the M-16(AR-15) with the short bbl but full length solid stock of the M16A2. If i were to buy an AR-15, that's the model i'd buy.
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Can you rifle butt someone with a collapsible stock on a M-4?
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Can you rifle butt someone with a collapsible stock on a M-4?
I know you can butt stroke someone with the collapsible stock of an Uzi with out bending it too bad.
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Define 'very accurate'.
A human shape an size target, 3 from 5 in the head and 5 from 5 in the chest.
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Can you rifle butt someone with a collapsible stock on a M-4?
Yeah, but you'd be liable to break the butt-stock. It would definitely hurt though...

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A human shape an size target, 3 from 5 in the head and 5 from 5 in the chest.
Any 3 MOA rifle should do that.
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I have a story about M4 buttstocks coming into contact with other objects. A few friends of mine and I were at an abandoned house in the middle of nowhere, shooting shiit up. There was still some glass in some of the windows, and I decided to smash them out with the buttstock of my M4. Big mistake. The thing literally cracked in half at the first blow, and I obviously had to buy another one.

The AK, on the other hand...

If I had to smack somebody with a stock, I'd have to take one of those older military bolt-action rifles like the Mauser or Mosin-Nagant. An M14 stock would do nicely too. Anything that's made out of wood, thick plastic or metal and is in one piece!
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