Red Arrow 8L gains greater capabilities - Page 2

xinhui · 09-01-2006, 12:41 PM

speaking of ATGM

CCTV reports on 52nd mountain brigade, Tibet MD features HJ-9 ATGM system. 52nd mountain brigade does not have any tanks it's TOE.

As a side note, 52nd mountain brigade is the last old KMT outfit still in service with PLA, it was the toughest division PLA faced during the civil war and it made such a great impression, after the surrender PLA leave the entry rank and files intact to preserve the fighting strength. It was adopted as the "fire brigade" of the 4th field army and reported directly to the field army HQ; it was credited with the defect of the British battalion during the Korean War. It was re-numbered to 52nd infantry division in 1969

The 127th division is generally considered to be an old Republican outfit dated back to the 1911 revolution, not a KMT outfit.

xinhui · 09-01-2006, 12:41 PM

old here is the pic of HJ-9 of 52nd

**Officer of Engineers** · 09-01-2006, 15:34 PM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

Does a TOW have 'software'?

It's hardcoded into the IC chips but it's there.

Tronic · 09-01-2006, 17:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Officer of Engineers

You can't copy the software.

and thats why that missile will never be at par with its american counterparts...

xinhui · 09-01-2006, 18:59 PM

don't remember any one including NORINCO claim otherwise......

Archer · 09-02-2006, 13:44 PM

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The lightweight launcher consists of a launching and guidance unit that weighs 22.5 kg and can be split into two smaller loads for ease of transport across rough terrain. The original launcher complete with one missile weighs 89.2 kg, which limits tactical mobility and can only be carried over short distances.

Lord, how one envies the Chinese procurement system. This was in service extensively (reference bold part) and then a lighter variant was inducted. In India, the former would never have been accepted since it was not "perfect".

HistoricalDavid · 09-02-2006, 15:42 PM

89.2kg for one launcher and one missile? Very man-portable indeed.

xinhui · 09-02-2006, 16:29 PM

depend on what your defination "is" is.

For a three-men ATGM team, it seems very portable.

xinhui · 09-02-2006, 16:31 PM

The above scan was from 06-2002, surprise to see Janes finally pick it up in Aug 2006.

HistoricalDavid · 09-02-2006, 16:32 PM

Each guy carrying 30kg (assuming even split) plus his own equipment?

Tronic · 09-02-2006, 18:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Davis_Chan

The Dr A Q Khan Research Laboratories of Pakistan has developed a very similar missile to the Red Arrow 8 called the Baktar Shikan; details are given under Pakistan.

wasn't this TOW found in Lebanon being used by Hezbollah??? am not too sure but read it somewhere...

Tronic · 09-02-2006, 18:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

89.2kg for one launcher and one missile? Very man-portable indeed.

lol... please... even if the Chinese use six people to carry one system, they'll still outnumber most armies...

xinhui · 09-02-2006, 21:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tronic

lol... please... even if the Chinese use six people to carry one system, they'll still outnumber most armies...

Since I don't you guys are capble having a meaningful exchange. Time for me to move on. later.

Archer · 09-02-2006, 22:49 PM

Dont, I dont think tronic meant that as a jibe. Its true though, manportable depends on how many men you have, if the PLA is willing to & has the resources to dedicate three men to an anti tank team, problem solved.

OTOH, as you noted, they wanted lighter weapons, so perhaps the HJ-8 series was not as widely adopted till the L variant?

Tronic · 09-03-2006, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by xinhui

Since I don't you guys are capble having a meaningful exchange. Time for me to move on. later.

argh... sorry bro, I didn't mean it like that.... I don't see how you got offended by that... ok, you guys wont outnumber the other armies.... happy??? lol...

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09-01-2006, 12:41 PM	#16 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 651	speaking of ATGM CCTV reports on 52nd mountain brigade, Tibet MD features HJ-9 ATGM system. 52nd mountain brigade does not have any tanks it's TOE. As a side note, 52nd mountain brigade is the last old KMT outfit still in service with PLA, it was the toughest division PLA faced during the civil war and it made such a great impression, after the surrender PLA leave the entry rank and files intact to preserve the fighting strength. It was adopted as the "fire brigade" of the 4th field army and reported directly to the field army HQ; it was credited with the defect of the British battalion during the Korean War. It was re-numbered to 52nd infantry division in 1969 The 127th division is generally considered to be an old Republican outfit dated back to the 1911 revolution, not a KMT outfit.

09-01-2006, 18:59 PM	#20 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 651	don't remember any one including NORINCO claim otherwise......

09-02-2006, 15:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 1,972 Country:	89.2kg for one launcher and one missile? Very man-portable indeed.

09-02-2006, 16:31 PM	#24 (permalink)
xinhui Lei Feng Protege *Defense Professional* Join Date: 05-17-06 Posts: 651	The above scan was from 06-2002, surprise to see Janes finally pick it up in Aug 2006.

09-02-2006, 16:32 PM	#25 (permalink)
HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 1,972 Country:	Each guy carrying 30kg (assuming even split) plus his own equipment?

09-02-2006, 22:49 PM	#29 (permalink)
Archer *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 10-13-03 Posts: 2,888	Dont, I dont think tronic meant that as a jibe. Its true though, manportable depends on how many men you have, if the PLA is willing to & has the resources to dedicate three men to an anti tank team, problem solved. OTOH, as you noted, they wanted lighter weapons, so perhaps the HJ-8 series was not as widely adopted till the L variant?

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