What are your thoughts on the 2k22 Tunguska M-1?

Canmoore · 08-23-2006, 23:39 PM

I just saw this clip, and i was like... woa

clip here

i have never heard anything about this Russian anti-air platform before, maybe you guys can elaborate more on it.

Anon · 08-24-2006, 00:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Canmoore

I just saw this clip, and i was like... woa

clip here

i have never heard anything about this Russian anti-air platform before, maybe you guys can elaborate more on it.

We have our own version of those too:

Linebacker AD track. (Armed with 25mm gun and quad pack of Stingers)

-{SpoonmaN}- · 08-24-2006, 00:59 AM

Alls I know is that it's in Battlefield 2 and it's great for killing helo-campers and infantry. So to answer your question, no I know nothing about it's capabilities but it seems scary on paper.

Itchy Finger · 08-24-2006, 01:09 AM

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We have our own version of those too

This 1 is sucky...
USA don have analogues for 2S6M... and don really need...

dbereal · 08-24-2006, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Itchy Finger

This 1 is sucky...
USA don have analogues for 2S6M... and don really need...

TUNGUSKA M1 LOW LEVEL AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM,
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tunguska/

BRADLEY LINEBACKER SHORT RANGE AIR DEFENSE
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/linebacker/

TUNGUSKA M1 wins hands down...

SURFACE-LAUNCHED AMRAAM (SLAMRAAM / CLAWS) MEDIUM-RANGE AIR DEFENCE SYSTEM,
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...face-launched/

TUNGUSKA M1 & SLAMRAAM / CLAWS more comparable...

SPYDER SURFACE-TO-AIR PYTHON 5 AND DERBY AIR DEFENCE MISSILE SYSTEM, ISRAEL
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/spyder/

I believe INDIA was in talks of acquiring this system.. any one can confirm

Anon · 08-24-2006, 04:24 AM

This one is pretty good too:

German Gepard

The US uses a layered system with Patriot, HUMRAAM, Linebacker.

It's a pretty good umbrella, but like the commie said, the US really doesn't need much in the way of ground-based air defense.

That's why God invented The United States Air Force.

We use these for air defense now.

lemontree · 08-24-2006, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dbereal

I believe INDIA was in talks of acquiring this system.. any one can confirm

India already has the Tangushka system

dbereal · 08-24-2006, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lemontree

India already has the Tangushka system

ya!!!! but I ment to confirm SPYDER

SPYDER SURFACE-TO-AIR PYTHON 5 AND DERBY AIR DEFENCE MISSILE SYSTEM, ISRAEL
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/spyder/

I believe INDIA was in talks of acquiring this system.. any one can confirm

dbereal · 08-24-2006, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by M21Sniper

This one is pretty good too:

The US uses a layered system with Patriot, HUMRAAM, Linebacker.

It's a pretty good umbrella, but like the commie said, the US really doesn't need much in the way of ground-based air defense.

Most of the country use a lyered system...

I guess these ground based AD is used in congesction with ur ground forces .. to protect them from Air attacks...
These get embeded with ur ground formations and provide them cover in a battelfield...

Russian AD systems were always considered superior to US ones and if check out the specs of Linebraker and Tunguska M-1 ... Tunguska is way far superior..

HistoricalDavid · 08-24-2006, 09:30 AM

Considered superior by whom?

And what's the point of having ground AD when you can aerial AD?

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Originally Posted by -{SpoonmaN}-

Alls I know is that it's in Battlefield 2 and it's great for killing helo-campers and infantry.

Notice that well-piloted helicopters and planes are virtually invincible against ground AD in BF2. Fly too high, and you're out of their envelope. Or hide behind an obstacle, and you're fine.

Unless opposed by another fighter or a fighter-bomber, BF2's fighter-bombers (the Su-34, Su-30 and F-15E) are probably the most powerful weapon system in the game, if piloted by experts, and the air defence vehicles in the game are just another target for the laser-designator.

Anon · 08-24-2006, 13:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dbereal

Most of the country use a lyered system...

I guess these ground based AD is used in congesction with ur ground forces .. to protect them from Air attacks...
These get embeded with ur ground formations and provide them cover in a battelfield...

Russian AD systems were always considered superior to US ones and if check out the specs of Linebraker and Tunguska M-1 ... Tunguska is way far superior..

It has to be.

The USAF is the best air defense network in the history of mankind...so what do we really need to come up with uber-AD weapons for?

BTW, i dont know how 'superior' i'd call Russian AAA like the ZSU-23/4 etc...the US has blown the snot out of a lot of ZSU-23s, SA-8s, and all other manner of VSHORAD/SHORAD Russian designed AD systems in open warfare twice now.

hound · 08-24-2006, 14:03 PM

'the US has blown the snot out of a lot of ZSU-23s, SA-8s, and all other manner of VSHORAD/SHORAD Russian designed AD systems in open warfare twice now.'

The thing is ODS was vrs a Breznev era military of Iraq, most of the ADs were lacking the range so Falcons would have a duck kill. ZSU/SA-8s were not designed to ward off stealths also. OIF was against a 75% weakened force so no brainer. It would be really exciting to see how do the Falcons/Hawks perform against the top like Russian ADs when the assets are protected by the Mig-31s and AWACS type platforms with S-300/400s at work in target shooting. I consider US equiptment and training to be superior to that of SU/Russia and in neck to neck scenario, I think US training is a whole notch superior like 25% higher which is substaintial.

gunnut · 08-24-2006, 14:19 PM

US AD strategy is simple: kill the enemy air threat before it reaches our guys on the ground.

We overload on our air force to kill the other guy's air force early. Deal with the threat at the source is way easier than to deal with the threat on top of your head.

Anon · 08-24-2006, 14:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hound

The thing is ODS was vrs a Breznev era military of Iraq, most of the ADs were lacking the range so Falcons would have a duck kill. ZSU/SA-8s were not designed to ward off stealths also. OIF was against a 75% weakened force so no brainer. It would be really exciting to see how do the Falcons/Hawks perform against the top like Russian ADs when the assets are protected by the Mig-31s and AWACS type platforms with S-300/400s at work in target shooting. I consider US equiptment and training to be superior to that of SU/Russia and in neck to neck scenario, I think US training is a whole notch superior like 25% higher which is substaintial.

Not true. They had SA-14s and SA-18s and ZSU-23/4's, and Western Rolands all of which were reasonably modern systems in 1991.

And they got biitch-slapped.

hound · 08-24-2006, 16:01 PM

what are you talking, according to wikipedia sa-14 and sa-18s have maximum range of like 5kms and usaf bombs targets from 33k feet i.e. 11km roughly, iraqis had no chance. then again i am no weapons expert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-14

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-{SpoonmaN}- Death, the Destroyer of Worlds... *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-08-04 Location: The badlands of West London. Posts: 1,455 Country:	Alls I know is that it's in Battlefield 2 and it's great for killing helo-campers and infantry. So to answer your question, no I know nothing about it's capabilities but it seems scary on paper. __________________ "I have this to say to the people of Australia: Kick me, I'm different."

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Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	This one is pretty good too: German Gepard The US uses a layered system with Patriot, HUMRAAM, Linebacker. It's a pretty good umbrella, but like the commie said, the US really doesn't need much in the way of ground-based air defense. That's why God invented The United States Air Force. We use these for air defense now. Last edited by Anon : 08-24-2006 at 04:54 AM.

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gunnut *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 01-27-06 Location: DPRK, Democratik People's Republik of Kalifornia Posts: 9,365 Country:	US AD strategy is simple: kill the enemy air threat before it reaches our guys on the ground. We overload on our air force to kill the other guy's air force early. Deal with the threat at the source is way easier than to deal with the threat on top of your head. __________________ "Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.

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08-24-2006, 14:03 PM	#12 (permalink)
hound Banished Join Date: 08-20-06 Posts: 90	'the US has blown the snot out of a lot of ZSU-23s, SA-8s, and all other manner of VSHORAD/SHORAD Russian designed AD systems in open warfare twice now.' The thing is ODS was vrs a Breznev era military of Iraq, most of the ADs were lacking the range so Falcons would have a duck kill. ZSU/SA-8s were not designed to ward off stealths also. OIF was against a 75% weakened force so no brainer. It would be really exciting to see how do the Falcons/Hawks perform against the top like Russian ADs when the assets are protected by the Mig-31s and AWACS type platforms with S-300/400s at work in target shooting. I consider US equiptment and training to be superior to that of SU/Russia and in neck to neck scenario, I think US training is a whole notch superior like 25% higher which is substaintial.

08-24-2006, 16:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
hound Banished Join Date: 08-20-06 Posts: 90	what are you talking, according to wikipedia sa-14 and sa-18s have maximum range of like 5kms and usaf bombs targets from 33k feet i.e. 11km roughly, iraqis had no chance. then again i am no weapons expert. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-14

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