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Just checked Tomahawk has a range of 1100km...........is this the weapon you are talking about to fire from Sicily to reach Iraq.

What range can JDAM and MOAB type precision weapons have to be fired from?

I heard that both US/Russia are working on real long range cruise missiles which also fly at mach 6+ speeds, how far away are these weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-129...Cruise_Missile

Looks like sicily to iraq 'christmas package' was this AGM 129.

Anon

AGM-86E CALCM Bk III, Range: 1620nm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ns/agm-86e.htm



And of course also the AGM-129 ACM you mentioned. That one's stealthier than any stealth jet we have to boot.



RGM/UGM-109E TACTOM has about a thousand NM range and can be launched from surface ships or VLS subs.



Pick yer poison.

There's also the Harpoon family cruise missiles, all the latest versions of which are land attack capable and have a range in the vicinity of 120 NM for surface launch and about 180ish NM for the air launched SLAM-ER.


SLAM-ER

The latest version of the JDAM is called the SDB, it's a precision 250lb glide bomb, and dropped from a supercruising high altitude F-22 it supposedly has about a 75km range. A follow on powered model with about double that range is also planned. The unpowered version just entered service about a month ago. It's the primary ground attack weapon of the F-22.

A regular JDAM(or LGB) has about a roughly 30km max standoff(under ideal conditions) range i guess.

HARM is about 30 miles or so max range.

GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb(SDB).

HistoricalDavid

How easy / difficult would it be to adapt the -129 for conventional warheads?

Anon

Not very. Just a matter of throwing enough $$$ at it...as always

VovaLee

AS-19 Koala /SS-N-24 (maid in Russia)
Year: 1991
Range (km): 3000
Weight (kg): 2000
Lenght (m): 12 x 6
Speed (m/sec): 5 Mach
Weight of warhead: 2 x 200 kt nuclear

Anon

I think the thing is so big you can probably see it on radar as it takes off in Russia too.

LOL...

That's one BIG ASSED missile.

HistoricalDavid

Fuel consumption tends to increase geometrically as speed increases arithmetically, (I think) and I seriously doubt a 3,000kg missile has enough fuel to go Mach 5 for 3,000km.

Maybe they go subsonic until the last few minutes.

Still, you can observe the difference in philosophies - the AGM-129 uses advanced technology - stealth - to fly high and thus reduce fuel consumption and detectability, to quietly penetrate airspace, while this missile and many other Russian cruise missiles blast through with the subtlety of a ram. Flying high and subsonically is probably a recipe for a cucumber-cool airframe as well.

-129, please.

SRB

Hi guys!!!
Nothing special about Tunuska.
It lokes cool but it is simple weapon.I prefer couple of guys with Igla or Stinger and one Praga(Chez 2X25mm long barrel) instead of Tunguska.
Why?
Guns on Tunguska are short range because some smart ass thinks that Igla missiles are enough(what about flares???) guns shot at 2,5km(vertical).
Praga guns shot at 5km, we modify it to 7km(veritcal) during 1999.

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Garry

Hi Lemontree, I agree with you

In my view the Tungska/Shilka/Linebacker are good and effective weapons to protect against low altitude attacks and suppressing enemy's infantry.

If you have a column moving on battle terrain this is a most wanted vehicle for defense.... if a column of Amrams be attacked in mountains, forests, urban by brave ATGM (something like Kornet) users it would be Linebackers which can suppress them with its MASSIVE high rate power.... Same is to protect tanks from low altitude attack from air....

I actually like Tor-M1 as well. It can not be used against infantry but its reaction time is less than 0.1 second letting it attack few targets in a matter of few seconds on different directions. And it does it while it moves..... Yes it has short-range of just 12km but such weapon would not let Appach/Kamov/Mill slaughter the column..... Its PESA radar is good enough to attack even guided bombs!

lemontree

This usfulness is ideal for FIBUA/ MOUT but in open/ jungle terrain the age old tactics of using recce troops before advance of major columns works better.

But I wonder if the Tor-M1 can intercept an ATGM attack.

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VovaLee

But we have more modern version of those.


The "Pantcir" (Testa) 'Панцирь' is a fully automatic complex.

Canmoore

Someone ealier in this thread said that the tunguska cant be used against ground forces. To bad, those cannons look pretty nasty, id hate to be in a utility truck or some poor grunt getting torn to shreads by those. Although im pretty sure there are other even nastier things out there that are in the back of the mind of a lonely grunt, humping it accross an open field lol

lemontree

Of course the tungushka can be used against infantry, the IA has used the ZSU-23mm x 2 in Siachin and foiled infantry attacks. But it should be used only against unconventional enemy like guerillas/ insurgents, and when fighting a conventional army this should be used onlyt agianst the intended threat, since one should not use up AD ammo agianst ground targets and become bingo ammo when the oppertunity for addressing air threats arise.

Garry

Hi Lemontree, I actually don't know but to me this seems unlikelly. I am now curious myself....

I agree that checking the path of the column with some advanced troops is good thing but there still chance that enemies can hide untill they see a major force comming. There was a reason why ZSU was the first priority target by Chechens and Afghanis in the ambush.

Hi Vovalee, the Pantsir is a cheap replacement of more expensive Tor-M1. Pantsir can not launch missiels operate from movement.... its missiles are Igla version.... and its reaction time is 5 seconds!!! I guess it is few times cheaper than Tor-M1. I can be compared to Linebacker....

To my view Tor-M1 and Tunguska are the best protection to marching troops against Low Altitude Threats.

lemontree

Again don't mix up conventional warfare and insurgency. The Soviet-Afghan/ Chechen war was a COIN war/ LICO, hence use the weapon system by all means. The fact that the enemy attacks your weapon platforms is an unavoidable fact. The over dependence of the Russian forces on vehicle patrols is also a reason for being easy targets.