Grim Reaper

America discovers that Pakistan in breeding vast amounts of terrorists within it's borders with support from the government. Fearing that nuclear weapons might fall into their hands, the U.S. invades Pakistan. How would Pakistan defend itself, what roles would India and China play? How would Iran and the rest of the Islamic world take it, seeing yet another Islamic nation invaded?

Anon

You mean the US gov't wakes up and decides to tackle the real source of warm terrorist bodies in the world today?

Oh my, my...that would be UGLY.

Grim Reaper

That's exactly what I mean. Bush actually finds out for himself and decides to take action, how do you think the scenario with end up besides ugly? lol

troung

Meet them in the middle

Loosing Pakistan's number, dodging phone calls, etc...

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Anon

It ends like this:



There has never been a war btw two nuclear powers for a very good reason...

Because they end with an Instant Sunrise:

Grim Reaper

So what your saying is that the world's most powerful nation cannot stop a Nuclear attack from some 3rd world country? And besides who would they nuke, India? They can't touch the U.S. and there would be no purpose in nuking India, it's between the U.S. and Pakistan isn't it. It's not like India would take this chance to invade Pakistan I hope. The U.S. could strike all Nuclear launching sites before they can do anything.....right?

HistoricalDavid

There are US forces in striking range.

http://www.atominfo.org/photos/pakistan/pakistan_pl.jpg

http://www.miprox.de/USA_speziell/US...-Worldwide.jpg

Given sufficient warning PAC-3 could probably intercept many of the missiles Pakistan would use.

Anon

I never said they'd attack the US.

They'd probably nuke our beach-head(who is going to say shiit to them for bombing their own territory?)

They might also attack india. It is a distinct possibility.

The nukes would probably be free-fall bombs dropped by nap of the earth fast moving F-16 strikes.

And no, i have no confidence that we could stop all of them.

Just one bomb gets through, and it's probably armageddon time.

Jay

As Snipe said, they might even try to nuke the beachhead, if a competent leader is in charge of the nukes, no its not Mushy, btw.
For sure, they will nuke India. When it comes to India, ruling Pakistani Generals normally loose their 6th sense.
Diego Garcia is well with in the range. In the eventuality, they might even consider nuking Israel. Just read the rhetorics that come out of Pakistan, if its atleast 10% true, India and Israel will be targetted.
The last thing that India wants is 130 million hungry muslims added to Indian population.
So far, as the news in the internet goes, Pakistan still hasnt mated their warhead with a missile. So the only mode of nuclear launch would be through clunky Mirages or the US supplied spanking new F-16's (I think they can easily get a after market delivery system for the 16's, considering the fact that they built their nukes from parts sourced entirely from underground blackmarket outfits)

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Jay

Snipe,
Intresting pictures. But to think about it, Pakistan does not have the means to reach the US (it can defn hit the friendlies all around the Asia though).

Also, I keep thinking that how bad it can be, P-5 had done mutiple nuclear tests (air dropped, under ground, Surface detonation), did any body document the aftermaths of these tests? If so, surface testing nukes on rogues looks like a very attractive proposition for the P-5 and anybody else who have the means to do it with out being self destructed.

Anon

They don't have to hit the US.

All they have to do is hit their own territory- our beachhead.

They hit that we've got 10,000 dead American troops in .00000001 seconds.

We'd HAVE NO CHOICE but to hit Pak with the whole kitchen sink then.

The kitchen sink looks like this:


Purrrrrrty, aint it?

It's at that point Pak would start nuking everyone they could(India and Israel for sure)....as a parting shot before they left the bounds of this earth as a people.

So what are we talking then.....?

100,000,000 dead?

And that's a LIMITED nuclear war.

Jay

Since its hypothetical, couple pre emptive surface blasts above thier facilities and a barrage of CM's/bunker busters on their air bases, would prevent them from nuking the beach head.

Hopefully, the Chinese never taught them salvo BM launches, thats another trouble.

Think more about it, if they nuke Karachi themselves, war would be already over. Karachi is the life line for Pakistan with a population of about 14 million innocent souls. Another one is Gwadar, its being hush hushed that PLAN wants to have a toe hold there.

I'm not sure Pakistani military (or any Army for that matter) has the guts to do it.

Anon

That involves us being able to get every nuke.

Considering how woefully the "Great Iraqi WMD Hunt" turned out, i don't have a lot of faith we could stop most- let alone all- the Pak nukes and F-16s from getting through. And i'd also point out that they could drop several Km short of our positions and still inflict horrible casualties on our forces(and totally contaminate the battlefield we have to pass through).

What if they got clever and just moored a nuke under 25 feet of water in the most likely landing spots? There'd be no way to stop that at all unless we somehow got either extremely good HUMINT, or some USN frogman literally stumbled into one that for whatever reason had become uncovered on the floor of the ocean.

Hell, they could just bury them on the beaches themselves. 100 feet deep where no sensor could detect them and no munition could hit them, and then wait for us to land.

What i doubt is that they'd use BMs at all. The US is too good at shooting those down.

Jay

I'm still not convinced why/how US cannot take them all in a "surprise" attack, for that matter, i'm not sure about India's capabilities wrt US.

Pakistan has a limited nuclear arsenal. They dont have any missile silos, no missile warhead, so its logical to think that they would most prolly safeguarded in known nuclear installations, a good target for pre-emptive attack.

Since Pakistan is a nascent nuclear power, the command control structure may not be well developed like USSR. So a co-ordinated pre emptive strike on all of their facilities would get them by their pants down (Again this applies to all the new nuclear nations).

Would they kill 10s of hundreds of their population so that they can kill the US expeditionary forces, I guess thats a chance we cannot take

gunnut

But why invade with traditional army? Contain them with air power. I understand we need boots on the ground to grab the bad guys. But destroy all their infrastructure can be just as effective at neutralizing them. They can't touch us. Let's not give them a target for their nukes.

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