spittle8

I'm no expert... but I'm pretty sure they don't have hydrogen bombs. Those, being the big, 10+ megaton, Rhode Island killing bombs. IIRC, I remember we said we guaged their nuke test at something like a whopping single kiloton . That's enough to take out, oh, maybe 5 city blocks? I could be quite wrong. Perhaps their untested nukes are stronger. If so, how strong? 10 kilotons? That's not so bad. 20 kilotons? That's a Nagasaki. 50 kilotons? That's a pretty big bomb for a country that is so technologically inferior.

I doubt they have many bombs, and I doubt their bombs are very powerful. If we hit them in a surprise attack, it would make sense that they would be too shocked to properly react. If what everyone says here is correct, their delivery systems suck. They aren't burying one 100 feet down (that would, for one thing, seriously take away from the destructive force of their already weak nukes. Nevada is dotted with subterranean nuke blast craters, nukes lose serious efficacy when detonated down under), and I don't know how putting one in the water would work.

I imagine if we went to war with them, we'd be SWARMING their air space with air superiority fighters, and any F-16 or Mirage would be gone moments after taking off. Also, would we not crater every runway, just on the chance of their getting a nuke carrying fighter off? Obviously, if they wiped out a division or two of American's, we'd be REALLY upset. Would we nuke Karachi? I HIGHLY doubt it. I doubt we'd resprisal nuke them at all. If anything, we'd let them starve after destroying their country conventionally. I bet we'd just focus on killing their entire military.

I think the real fear would be them getting a nuke out of the country (how would they do even that, without it being noticed? Nukes are pretty big, especially technologically retarded nukes) and it detonating in one of our coastal cities harbors. You could knock down Columbia Seafirst Center, and alot of other important crap by blowing up a decent sized nuke in Seattle's shipping district.

urmomma158

Lol stupid thread!!! BTW Jay read HistoricalDavid's post, the nuke misisles cannot reach Israel!!!Besides all we need is airpower and a few nuclear tomahawks to finish the job.

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hound

'there would be no purpose in nuking India'

Pakistan has openly said that if any country attacks its nuclear assets, it will nuke India and India has said for 1 Pak nuke they will respond with nuke attack at such a massive scale that mere existence of Pak will become questionable. US has said that if a nuke from Islamic world is used against it or it's interests, then US will nuke 100 major cities in the whole Islamic world. Talk about some nuke hot coffee times!

hound

'But destroy all their infrastructure can be just as effective at neutralizing them.'

psychopath fanatics have foresaken everything including their families and their own lives, only thing they need is 2 meals a day and they are ready to become cannon fodder. this is really sickening thought process or brain programming.

Jay

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spittle8

When did the U.S. say that?

Anon

When nuclear weapons are involved one mistake is millions dead.

This is why we in the west are so terrified of any of you folks having nukes to begin with....

Where they'd put 'em all depends on the circumstances. How many they have...no one really knows. How many they can pump out in a crash course if they feel threatened is anybody's guess.

If you're wrong...

Millions die.

Does a person with gangreen cut off his arm to save his life?

I would...

Let me pretend to be the Pakistani ruler for a minute:

"If you attack us from the air, god willing we will attack the enemies of Islam with the fires given to us by Allah, the most merciful."

Sound familiar?

They have nukes. You attack from the air and you're wrong...

Millions die.

A deterrent is no good if you don't use it guys. The people in power know this full well.

You are.

You are also basing your assumptions on a failed premise: That pakistan has not increased it's bombmaking skills in 20 years. A horribly foolish assumption.

And a 1kt device....http://www.fas.org/main/content.jsp?...&contentId=367
(click the airburst button)

Looks like a 1kt airburst would take out about 1/4 of downtown washington DC and probably kill a couple hundred thousand people.

urmomma158

I stand corrected!

spittle8

Yep. Well, that's an awesome link. I didn't realize a 2 megaton bomb wouldn't only knock out half of the Seattle that I knew. That's amazing.

A 1 kt bomb isn't taking 1/4 of D.C., that's not what it shows. Most of the blast is in the yellow zone; those guys won't all die, and their buildings will apparently have a good chance at surviving. Cool link!

hound

'When did the U.S. say that?'

US did never offically said this but the message has been conveyed to the Islamic nations with nukes and the terrorists like AQs and others that nuke attack on US will be responded with unimaginable destruction not seen by the human race in last 10,000 years. Terrorjocks better take that seriously. BTW, on 9-11/2001 George Bush while on his way to SAC bunker in Omaha, had to be restrained by Military Generals onboard AirForce1, from issuing 'Nuke Afganistan' orders.

Anon

The yellow circle will blow row houses and unreinforced structures(where all the poor people in DC live in massively dense conditions) to bits.

"Yellow Circle: Moderate damage to buildings causing some risk to people due to flying debris is caused by the blast wave in this region."

Moderate damage to buildings is based on modern structures using up to code construction.

Most of DC(beyond the historic area) falls well short of that level of hardiness. In LA for example where they do have good earthquake proof buildings very little damage would be done in the yellow zone. DC...another matter entirely(that's why i used DC as an example to begin with).

Here's another handy nuke calculation tool:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Science/Nuke.html

Input Weapon Yield
Yield (megatons): .01 (1kt)

Calculated Values

Thermal radiation radius (3rd degree burns) : 1.8 Km
Air blast radius (widespread destruction): 1.6 Km
Air blast radius (near-total fatalities): 599 meters
Ionizing radiation radius (500 rem) : 1.3 Km
Fireball duration: 0.6 seconds
Fireball radius (minimum): 70
Fireball radius (airburst): 80
Fireball radius (ground-contact airburst): 110

That one lets you input all different sizes.

By this point, i expect Pakistan should be able to make weapons of at least 20kt in yield.

gunnut

I don't believe these terrorists understand the power they're messing with. When push comes to shove, the west is not above committing genocide, especially when the other side ain't white.

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highsea

Lolol, where are you coming up with this stuff??

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hound

'where are you coming up with this stuff??'

both read it and heard on tv, check items dating back to 9-11 and around and you will find it.........GWB was seriously considering the nuclear option and had to be talked out of it.

I wonder what would have been the US response if the 'liquid bomb' plans from UK flights would have been successful. It is also said that for another attack on 9-11 scale, US will take out both Mecca and Medina and leave the fanatics wishing they had listened to the cooler heads.

Sometimes I believe that 'subconciously' the Mullah Fanatic types have a wish to punish their own people and thus they commit acts that indirectly lead to their hidden desires. When they are not fighting with others they are fighting among themselves and that too with medivial brutality....look at Iraq these days. their mindsets have to be figured out and this might save billion$ in explosive weapons unleashed on the idiotheads.

spittle8

"US did never offically said this but the message has been conveyed to the Islamic nations with nukes and the terrorists like AQs and others that nuke attack on US will be responded with unimaginable destruction not seen by the human race in last 10,000 years. Terrorjocks better take that seriously. BTW, on 9-11/2001 George Bush while on his way to SAC bunker in Omaha, had to be restrained by Military Generals onboard AirForce1, from issuing 'Nuke Afganistan' orders."

If that's true, that's awesome on a very large scale. I always thought Bush was a pansy.


"It is also said that for another attack on 9-11 scale, US will take out both Mecca and Medina and leave the fanatics wishing they had listened to the cooler heads. "

All do respect, but that sounds like horse shite. If you could back that up, I'd be most grateful. I always wondered why, after 9/11, we didn't just fire bomb some Muslim cities. That would have sent them a VERY clear message. Most people I've shared this view with have considered me pyschotic. If that really is our doctrine, that's something. Mecca. ROFL

WAIT. Then how would we get our oil? You're BSing! That makes no sense. I'm so tired. I can't think. But Saudi Arabia has the oil. Why would we nuke them? What else do you know of this doctrine? Why would we threaten to nuke Saudi Arabia for the next attack? I'm tired. My head hurts. I hope you explain what you're talking about...